Once 100% Godhead, why would one come back to life again?

[Forestluv]

9 minutes ago, Sempiternity said:

@Forestluv When you say "The return just happens." that's the part I'm confused about. 
 

Sorta like gradually waking up from a deep, vivid dream state. In the dream, there is no 'you' thinking "Ok this was a great dream. I better wake up and go to work". That character isn't present in the dream. You just spontaneously wake up (assuming no alarm clock). . . Now imagine a gradual transition of waking up. Thoughts, images and memories of "me" begin to appear, yet you are still halfway in the dream and cannot distinguish between real and imagined. 

From a neuroscience perspective, we could say that the psychedelic chemical starts to wear off and baseline brain activity returns. Yet there is not a conscious chooser deciding to return. 

Yet what you seem to be asking about goes much deeper. Not only would the sense of self dissolve, everything would dissolve. You would have no senses, you would not be able to recognize language. That all gets deconstructed and then reconstructed on the return. That's the best I can contextualize it, others may do so differently. 

[tatsumaru]

18 minutes ago, Moksha said:

How could there be space if there is infinity? The Mystery is the intersection of ultimate and relative reality. Don't try to understand it, because you can't. Spacetime is only relative reality. Ultimate reality is timeless, spaceless, changeless, and formless. It isn't one or the other, Tat is all.

Infinity is man-manufactured fiction. You can try to impose it on direct experience as much as you want, but mathematics will never become truth. There can be no infinity without the Aristotelian nonsense of Oneness. The French Mathematician Henri Poincare said "Geometry is not true, it is advantageous.". It's not my trying to understand it that's creating the falsehood. It's your trying to convince the heart that the fiction of the intellect is absolute reality. Shantideva wrote, “Relative and absolute, These the two truths are declared to be. The absolute is not within the reach of intellect, For the intellect is grounded in the relative.” Let go of the intellect and then I will listen to what you have to say.

Edited February 22, 2021 by tatsumaru

[Moksha]

4 minutes ago, Sempiternity said:

You're just not getting what I'm asking. I get Nonduality, so I don't need that explained. I'm asking a specific question within Nonduality. 

You're asking how does God know to come back to "your life", following a psychedelic experience. Psychedelic experiences aren't permanent. They don't magically dissolve your ego. You eventually come back to relative reality. You still have to do the work of integrating your insights, for that to happen. It's not about God coming back to "your life", but about "your life" coming back to God.

[Moksha]

1 minute ago, tatsumaru said:

“Relative and absolute, These the two truths are declared to be. The absolute is not within the reach of intellect, For the intellect is grounded in the relative.” Let go of the intellect and then I will listen to what you have to say.

Amen. Any conceptual insights are inherently flawed. The only insights worth considering are direct. Don't listen to what I have to say, realize Yourself.

[The0Self]

100% Godhead for a human is not really 100% Godhead. 100% Godhead will take quite a number of lifetimes in the higher dimensions/realms/densities. 100% Godhead means you start over btw, as you'll be completely selfless -- you'll be everything, even the trees and the rocks. And the quarks. And the quantum foam. And allness.

100% Godhead means you're a God among men. But you're an insect relative to the next level. The levels never end -- that cannot be comprehended.

There are beings in the next level that are privy to your exact state of consciousness, and my own, at this very moment, and they are completely beyond time. They seem to sometimes let me in to their social memory complex when I achieve very high states of consciousness. They are insects relative to the next level above them. And so on. Forever.

This of course means you already achieved that true Godhead, an infinite number of times. You're just doing it again.

What did you think the realization of the infinite fractal nature of consciousness meant?

Edited February 22, 2021 by The0Self

[Mu_]

5 hours ago, Sempiternity said:

Once one becomes 100% Godhead, after say taking a high dose of a psychedelic, the dream/illusion is gone, your life if gone, the universe converges into a pure abstract singularity of consciousness, formless infinite singularity, there is no more life, no more death, no more world, no more people or other beings, you are absolute oneness and love forever for eternity.

In this state, how would you know to come back to your life? That life is completely gone. Once in absolute oneness for eternity, wouldn't that be it, absolute oneness and love for eternity? So how do you come back? 

 

Godhead and life are not two.  And yet what you speak of is something that may appear to happen and be experienced like so.  There is no-"one" that goes or comesback, Godhead is all angles and experience.

[zeroISinfinity]

@The0Self I am God forever. 

Ok want sex with pornstar without paying for it. 

Lets get proof. Can't beat 'em join' em. 

Why having values? 

Edited February 22, 2021 by zeroISinfinity

[AdamR95]

@Leo Gura i like the idea of not coming back maybe more then coming back to this ego bullshit i love life but i think in some point in life i can say i've seen enough and want to remain in piece

Edited February 22, 2021 by AdamR95

[James123]

@Sempiternity when not knowing comes, there is no going, coming back, universe, life nor you. 

You think you are alive and in the world now, Instead of thought process? 

[Vibroverse]

We already are dead and this already is the void. 

[allislove]

9 hours ago, Sempiternity said:

Once one becomes 100% Godhead

To become you have to have at least two things, but luckily there is only one, not even a thing.
What is ever-present in your direct experience? Turn your interest there.

[erik8lrl]

When you are 100% Godhead, you become absolute nothingness/non-existence/love/unity. Whether or not you want to experience existence again is completely up to you since you are God. In this nothingness, time doesn't even exist(nor does any concept of anything), so there would be no "coming back" to life, but rather life/existence/concept needs to be recreated again from infinite nothing. To God, there is no beginning or end, no existence or non-existence. You could stay in this nothingness for eternity and then instantly create all of existence and time at once. It's kind of like a pause button for a video game. To the character in the game, they do not know that time is paused when it is. Their experience of existence is spontaneous and consistent. This is why you are actually Godhead right now in the infinite, timeless nothingness between your experience of existence. Still, since there is no time in absolute nothing, you will not notice that you are God. Unless you become conscious enough that you can see the process of creation/imagination of existence directly.   

[Adamq8]

19 minutes ago, erik8lrl said:

When you are 100% Godhead, you become absolute nothingness/non-existence/love/unity. Whether or not you want to experience existence again is completely up to you since you are God. In this nothingness, time doesn't even exist(nor does any concept of anything), so there would be no "coming back" to life, but rather life/existence/concept needs to be recreated again from infinite nothing. To God, there is no beginning or end, no existence or non-existence. You could stay in this nothingness for eternity and then instantly create all of existence and time at once. It's kind of like a pause button for a video game. To the character in the game, they do not know that time is paused when it is. Their experience of existence is spontaneous and consistent. This is why you are actually Godhead right now in the infinite, timeless nothingness between your experience of existence. Still, since there is no time in absolute nothing, you will not notice that you are God. Unless you become conscious enough that you can see the process of creation/imagination of existence directly.   

Nicely explained!?

[Bodhitree]

11 hours ago, Sempiternity said:How does God know to come back to my life, back from the psychedelic experience, once my life is gone and all other lives are gone? Hope you can see my confusion. 

Would knowing exactly what happens be of any real benefit to you? Knowing is the mind’s game, it’s a striving for completeness which is ultimately futile, there are always more frontiers to knowledge.

[Gustav]

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Which is why you're in the material dream to begin with. You wanted to be here otherwise you'd have killed yourself long ago.

When I read things like this it feels like it gets shoved down my throat.

What does this even mean? I did not choose to be born.

What is the point for "some comsic intelligence" to create a human who is doomed to suffer and cannot escape even throguh suicide since one will be reincarnated as some miserable soul.

When you say stuff like this it makes the universe seem incredible dark and cruel, like there is only hell for eternity in all directions.

[AdamR95]

3 minutes ago, Gustav said:

When I read things like this it feels like it gets shoved down my throat.

What does this even mean? I did not choose to be born.

What is the point for "some comsic intelligence" to create a human who is doomed to suffer and cannot escape even throguh suicide since one will be reincarnated as some miserable soul.

When you say stuff like this it makes the universe seem incredible dark and cruel, like there is only hell for eternity in all directions.

I can relate to this. This is why i hope death is definitive, i dont want to reincarnate as someone who suffers like some other people suffers and if i am eternal its inevitable that i will. This is the most scary thing for me, much more scarier than death.

[Adamq8]

38 minutes ago, AdamR95 said:

I can relate to this. This is why i hope death is definitive, i dont want to reincarnate as someone who suffers like some other people suffers and if i am eternal its inevitable that i will. This is the most scary thing for me, much more scarier than death.

From the true self point of view this is not an issue and this is exactly want it wants. 

Ironically oneness wants to experience seperation.

This is only from your/our limited ego point of view. 

57 minutes ago, Gustav said:

When I read things like this it feels like it gets shoved down my throat.

What does this even mean? I did not choose to be born.

What is the point for "some comsic intelligence" to create a human who is doomed to suffer and cannot escape even throguh suicide since one will be reincarnated as some miserable soul.

When you say stuff like this it makes the universe seem incredible dark and cruel, like there is only hell for eternity in all directions.

Who is it that feels like this? Inspect it.

It is a story you are holding as the Truth, in fact you have never ever been moved by experience or suffering, EVER.

It happens in you not a happening to you.

Ofcourse it feels real cause you dont have any reference point.

Imagine that you have already lived countless times and dreamed forever but have you suffered for it? No.

Memory is imaginary in that way.

Every new "creation" is a forgetting in order to experience a point of view, but when awakening happens you realize that you are suffering and you are love and you are everything and that means freedom from it.

Suffering might happen but you have a different reference point then prior to awakening.

But recognize that the thoughts you have is only thoughts and ofcourse they dont feel good cause it aint true.

Do you suffer from nightmares after you woke up?

You realize it was just a dream, life is no different 

 

 

 

 

[Seeker531]

On my lsd trips I stop and stay nothing for eternity and then it is decided to come back again to enjoy the whole show as if nothing has ever happened. Sometimes there are different lives and dimensions imagined with a lot of time equivalent spent there before "I" continue this life. It's always the love and the wish to continue which brings me back. There is no difference between what happens and "my" wish. Suffering arises from a lot of misunderstanding and from action upon that. One wants this life. 

 

 

[AdamR95]

6 hours ago, Adamq8 said:

From the true self point of view this is not an issue and this is exactly want it wants. 

Ironically oneness wants to experience seperation.

This is only from your/our limited ego point of view.

I am aware of that. When i will be dead my ego will disapear so there will be no problem from that perspective.

And from absolute perspective, god loves to go throught all the suffering.

But still, i can incarnate with so low consciouss ego and suffer much more even maybe i was enlightened previous life.

I know its my projection but that horrifying idea sometimes bubble up from my subconscioss when i am on psychadelics or when i am contemplating.

 

Edited February 22, 2021 by AdamR95

[Seeker531]

@AdamR95

Okay. Then why the worry? maybe you can deal with this situation by letting go. The mind always invents things to do. In such situations I'd try to be mindful, then it's recognised that's just conditioned thoughts and it feels unpleasent because its just how this thought feels and you don't have to be afraif of it. you created it so to speak and If you dont believe it and turn away your attention the thought disappears, no more problem. Maybe you could try to deal it this way too and make it an exercise? 

I know at first it's not that easy but how else do you want te get peace? 

Edited February 22, 2021 by Seeker531