Words

[Telepresent]

Hello all the people!

So... I hit a realisation and due to the nature of it:

a) don't want to describe it, and
b) any description would be false.

Suffice it to say it was about how much I rely upon words, and what words mean and where words come from and what words REALLY are (maybe... but I suspect I'm naive on this point!)

What led me to this was the challenge to what I expect Enlightenment to even mean.  As an exercise based on my experience, I would encourage people to interrogate every word they have that they think is important ("job", "work", "family", "love", "enlightenment", "truth", etc.) and just spend some time examining what is there.

Thanks for your time x

Edited October 10, 2016 by Telepresent

[Society of the Spect]

I find that Thoughts generally arent words.

They are more like glyphs , or Hierogliphs,

We can feel thoughts as an emotion,

but to give Voice to them , they must first be "Run Through" our own 

particular Translation system.

That's why we so often find ourselves misunderstood by others.

"There is many a slip between the cup and the lip"

 

So yes , Examine what we think is the meaning of certain words,

and many times one word will need caveat's to properly define 

what we want to convey by that word.

[Telepresent]

I entirely get what you're saying.  About translation.  About there being a deeper layer.

But I feel what most of what I have been reacting to in life HAS been word based.  Learned and translated and taken as fact.

And the removal of fact from words is Revolutionary.

And the words we apply to emotions (including "I", which opens a whole can of worms)

Is subjective and limited

And the reason I choose to type like this

(and maybe you?)

Is to disconnect thoughts into constituent parts

and words

And right now I'm identifying them

because I've only just realised

that the world I relate to

is translated through language and concept

before I even realise

and that mostly

I respond to words

with words

which means to concept

with ideal concept

and not to is

with is.

I guess

[Telepresent]

And honest emotion is a whole other thing

[Society of the Spect]

It's when your typing your ideas and suddenly 

the realisation, that,

your going to need a PARAGRAPH of words,

that we realise more fully that the translating is 

automatic, But not the Core "Language" of 

our thinking.

At this Point , it is interesting to consider other 

"Languages" like music or even a language of 

smells , taken succesively for example.

J G Bennet , a student of Gurdjieff writes well on this 

concept of Language.

Edited October 10, 2016 by Society of the Spect

[Telepresent]

Thanks.  Telepresent now gonna play