Response From Naked Reality To Leo's "dark Side Of Meditation"

[Rakesh]

9 minutes ago, Huz said:

Yeah I thought the same. I thought he is just doing it to get some sort of recogistion.

Leo's content from the video say that these are possibilities that could happen during meditation. So when I heard about the out of body experiences I didn't get emotionally attached and saying shit like "this is complete bullshit and not possible" etc. This dude's mind is not open and clings to ways meditation should be. He also has similar views toward psychedelics. Closed minded to the possibility that 5-Meo is not a magic pill. Maybe he is right. But he went on to say that there is absolutely no magic pill that exists in nature which is closed minded so I wouldn't follow this dude.

1) because we got enough people telling us shit. 2) all answers lay within (do the work yourself), don't need another dude saying what to do 3) he is closed minded

He actually even says in some of his videos meditation is not necessary, and if you do not like it you should not do it so he definitely does not cling to the way meditation should be. His view on psychedelics is also rather simple. They can lead to awakening, but awakening is not enlightenment. He always says enlightenment is not an experience. Awakening is. He describes enlightenment as more of a perspective change from the ego to the absolute or emptiness' perspective.

Also his whole channel is about dropping all ideas, and he never tell people what to do really. You are just tripping because you do not like what he is saying.

[Orange]

5 hours ago, Azrael said:

 

 The rational newtonian-worldview we are brought up in is not sufficient to describe reality as a whole. 

How do you know this? 

[Rakesh]

Any world view limits reality

[Huz]

35 minutes ago, Orange said:

How do you know this? 

Firstly it got replaced by General Relativity. Then you start to notice that GR cant describe phenomena in reality in absolute terms ( doesn't fit with QM in singularities) even though the tool it uses like differential geometry is very intricate. Hell who knows maybe in 50 years there maybe another theory that is more accurate then GR and uses the model that space is flat instead of curved.

And these theories are limited too our subjective senses.

Edited October 10, 2016 by Huz

[Psychonaut]

I should also start making videos so people pay attention to what I say and talk about. It just random neurons firing in my brain that somehow turned into atoms vibrating in the air which turned to more neurons firing in someone elses brain and through some kind of a miracle gained some value in the process. No need to pay any attention to it.

Edited October 10, 2016 by Psychonaut

[Huz]

29 minutes ago, Psychonaut said:

I should also start making videos so people pay attention to what I say and talk about random neurons firing in my brain that somehow turned into atoms vibrating in the air which turned to more neurons firing in someone elses brain and through some kind of a miracle gained some value in the process.

Already on it but why you gotta be so rudeee

 

[Key Elements]

There's a saying, "There are always 2 sides to the same coin." This is a very one-sided video. He has no direct experience, and sounds like he didn't do any research of others.

Edited October 10, 2016 by Key Elements

[Capethaz]

I think its funny that most people that are "certainly correct" abou these thing aren't enlightened and don't know anything about the maps of the path. 

[Vytas]

Damn, after reading tons of this forum threads i came to notice that recently there is so much fighting, who is right and who is wrong, man, why cant we all just acknowledge that our human brains aren't perfect, although all of us have an intention to understand  and spread the truth. I just wish everyone love peace. Lets try to look at things from different perspectives, without judgment hatred and anger and realize that each of us are at different stage and in different perception bubble. MUCH LOVE! PEACE! 

 

[Key Elements]

@Vytas

I agree, but there's a difference between advice, anger, and ridicule. Truth sounds bitter because truth hurts.

[Vytas]

@Key Elements  Indeed, truth pill might be hard to swallow for some of us

Edited October 10, 2016 by Vytas

[Self-Mastery]

14 hours ago, Azrael said:

you can still be an idiot and delusional after your awakening

@Azrael Dude you made my day! I was really curious to know if a person can still be an idiot (I'm not talking about this guy) after his/her awakening. As you mentioned, it is completely possible That's why all of us should work on all of aspects of ourselves

Edited October 10, 2016 by Seyed

[Key Elements]

To me, what would be more convincing is not making a video criticizing others, it's making a video or writing a book of your own direct experiences. Then, people could relate to it better, esp to another with direct experience. Like...(For example)...something out of the ordinary happened in my life, and I just "passed it off as a dream." I didn't think it was anything special at first, and I wasn't convinced by my experience. Then, this happened and that happened, etc etc etc...and made life more meaningful. It gave me a direction because etc etc etc...That would be more convincing if you could really say it (without any dogmas, of course).

If you could say what was it that convinced you to stay on this journey to others, then ppl could relate more. (It will not be a short/simple story.)

There's a saying, "Don't judge my path if you haven't walked my journey." The audience tend to judge cause they can't relate.

But, the person writing the book or making the video has to really ask himself/herself, why is my story really for real? And, get rid of any dogmas. 

Edited October 10, 2016 by Key Elements

[Epsilon_The_Imperial]

7 hours ago, Key Elements said:

@Vytas

I agree, but there's a difference between advice, anger, and ridicule. Truth sounds bitter because truth hurts.

The truth only hurts when it destroys illusions that preceded it, otherwise, Truth can be the most beautiful thing. The problem with people who try to shove their views into your face as if they're completely right and you're wrong is that they typically don't understand the experiences that you interpreted to come to the conclusions that you do. Your experiences don't matter, their does, and apparently it's easy to rationalize to other people why they're wrong and you're right.

It's spiritual ego, but it's practically the same as "regular" ego.

[OrdinaryAwareness]

I haven't watched Leo's video and I didn't watch more than 11 minutes of Rali's video, but it is pretty clear that Rali is not enlightened. If he was he wouldn't speak in a way that is so indicative that he is still completely identified with his body. He seems to be under the impression that enlightenment is ego-death, getting rid of programming, clearing thoughts, etc. It's not. 

[Rakesh]

12 hours ago, OrdinaryAwareness said:

I haven't watched Leo's video and I didn't watch more than 11 minutes of Rali's video, but it is pretty clear that Rali is not enlightened. If he was he wouldn't speak in a way that is so indicative that he is still completely identified with his body. He seems to be under the impression that enlightenment is ego-death, getting rid of programming, clearing thoughts, etc. It's not. 

 

I asked him a similar question via email, and his response was "Emptiness wears the human medium to experience the sensory world, like man wears a vr headset to experience the virtual world. Emptiness is infinite and has no limitations, it's expressions eg the sensory based world, and the human medium do. Any one saying otherwise is in denial, and practicing self deception."

He is one of the most sensible, and least full of shit teachers I know. He made fun of leo a little bit, but do not let that cloud your judgement. He is a great teacher.

[OrdinaryAwareness]

@Rakesh I couldn't care less that he made fun of Leo, so that's not clouding my judgement. I'm going based on his word choice in the bit that I did watch. I just watched his "How to reach enlightenment" video and listened very carefully to his language use. There are some nuances that he either doesn't get or chooses to gloss over (I'm leaning towards the former). For instance, he says "but realize that you are that which experiences." You are the non-experiencing witness, Isvara. Experience does not change consciousness. That which experiences is Maya. It is the mind, the body, etc. Isvara, awareness, is a non-experiencing witness and is reflected by Maya. Just as the moon shines by reflecting the sun. Yes, they are the same whole, but the mind is not the totality of awareness just as a wave is the ocean but the ocean is not just a wave. Forms arise in awareness and are composed of awareness, but the awareness itself is never changed. He also tends to skim over things but just saying "datatata" whenever he feels like he should extrapolate but is unable to due to an incomplete understanding. He's not completely wrong (even a broken clock is correct twice a day), but he's also not "enlightened" because if he were as enlightened as he seems to think he is then he'd know that what he truly is, awareness, is neither enlightened nor unenlightened. 

[Esoteric]

@Rakesh Dude basically all your posts are about defending that guy or praising him. It looks like you are either his friend, the guy himself or just an obsessed fan.

Why don't a mod seriously delete such a pointless thread promoting some attention seeking "guru". Oh well. 

[Xpansion]

On 9 October 2016 at 4:11 AM, Ape said:

It seems to me like he misinterpreted a lot of the stuff leo said.

Totally. This  guy needs to seriously get a clue and actually listen to what is said before going on a rant.

[Rakesh]

12 hours ago, Esoteric said:

@Rakesh Dude basically all your posts are about defending that guy or praising him. It looks like you are either his friend, the guy himself or just an obsessed fan.

Why don't a mod seriously delete such a pointless thread promoting some attention seeking "guru". Oh well. 

Watched all his videos, and am merely responding to people that are misinterpreting what he is saying.