Response From Naked Reality To Leo's "dark Side Of Meditation"

[Rakesh]

 

[sgn]

Haha browsed the forum just to see if someone had made a thread of that

[Ape]

It seems to me like he misinterpreted a lot of the stuff leo said.

[bazera]

Leo's videos must be watched from the beginning to the end, or else you'll have all sorts of misinterpretations.

If you decide to watch like 15 minutes of 1 hour long video (like Raily did in that video), you should not watch it at all if you ask me. 

Edited October 9, 2016 by bazera

[Rakesh]

29 minutes ago, Ape said:

It seems to me like he misinterpreted a lot of the stuff leo said.

Like what?

[DoubleYou]

Does that guy blink even once? 

About Leo's video. Meh.. I'll see it when I see it. Don't really care either way. 

Edited October 9, 2016 by DoubleYou

[Dragallur]

"If it would not feel good it would be irrelevant (enlightenment)" - I highly disagree on this one. Enlightenment is not about feeling good, it is about knowing what the Truth is. Irrelevant to what? So is he seeking enlightenment just to feel good?

[Neo]

Surely someone must have told the Naked Reality guy that Leo is into psychedelic drugs?

[Dodo]

watch from this point for 30 seconds or so.

Leo merged with his lamp!

[Rakesh]

32 minutes ago, Dragallur said:

"If it would not feel good it would be irrelevant (enlightenment)" - I highly disagree on this one. Enlightenment is not about feeling good, it is about knowing what the Truth is. Irrelevant to what? So is he seeking enlightenment just to feel good?

He is not seeking enlightenment if you watch his videos. He teaches people how to get there.

[Dragallur]

Just now, Rakesh said:

He is not seeking enlightenment if you watch his videos. He teaches people how to get there.

Oh ok, anyway as @bazera said. The biggest pitfall that he fell into was that he just did not watch the whole video. I get that it sounds strange "merging with lamp"... but Leo does not say that the angels really exist. I think he acknowledges that these are just hallucinations but very real ones. And he says that you should not cling that they will just pass. I think it is important for people to know about these things before it starts to happen to them and let go when it is the case. Let go, as Naked Reality says.

[Jani]

I think Leo was just trying to point out what people "could" see, not "will". Different people might see different things, you never know what someone has seen or constructed in their mind that they've been afraid of etc. and those might come up from the subconscious into "your" perceived reality. That's just my interpretation, correct me if i seem to be wrong on this.

[Space]

In 'The Science of Enlightenment' Shinzen Young talks about how he had crazy but completely life-like and 'real' hallucinations or visions earlier in his life. I'm sure Leo has listened to that series because Shinzen specifically talks about seeing giant insects. 

Edited October 9, 2016 by Reality

[Huz]

1 hour ago, Dodoster said:

watch from this point for 30 seconds or so.

Leo merged with his lamp!

His language used to critique Leo (when leo says merge with emptiness) is just as untrue as Leo's. Language cant be used to describe this shit, so why is he going into such depth to change one fucking word he says lol. 

But never the less seeing critique on Leo is helpful to develop skepticism.

Edited October 9, 2016 by Huz

[Neo]

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Language cant be used to describe this shit, so why is he going into such depth to change one fucking word he says lol.

Because some of us still understand and live in the world of words silly.

[bazera]

Does this guy claim to be enlightened?

[Azrael]

8 hours ago, Huz said:

But never the less seeing critique on Leo is helpful to develop skepticism.

Yeah, I thought this as well as I saw the video, but I would've hoped that he came up with actual, good critique. He is basically mis-interpreting Leo here and laughing at him. This shows me that this guy himself is completely delusional and trapped in his spiritual ego (even if he claims to be enlightened what he might be - you can still be an idiot and delusional after your awakening).

I like Leo's video because I have experienced most of the things myself and it's very important to know that they are normal and will pass. Leo says at no fucking point that angels, visions or what so ever are real. He says it seems real - which is actually the case if you have seen something like that. But that's about it.

Also, as he said: Be open to what can happen. The rational newtonian-worldview we are brought up in is not sufficient to describe reality as a whole. No framework is, that's why it's so ridiculous that this guy makes such a video - not seeing his own delusion.

So yeah, of course you should be skeptical to what Leo teaches you, especially if he goes far out with things like drugs or what not. But if you really do the research yourself (as he does I guess most of his day) you find that he doesn't just come up with things because he is bored. But if you just watch something that you can't understand because you are not open enough to at least research it yourself and then laugh about it or misinterpret it, doesn't help you very much here.

And I myself find a lot of descriptions from guys like Rupert Spira or Alan Watts more fitting then anything else, but in the end these are all just pointers. 

[Huz]

49 minutes ago, Azrael said:

Yeah, I thought this as well as I saw the video, but I would've hoped that he came up with actual, good critique. He is basically mis-interpreting Leo here and laughing at him. This shows me that this guy himself is completely delusional and trapped in his spiritual ego (even if he claims to be enlightened what he might be - you can still be an idiot and delusional after your awakening).

I like Leo's video because I have experienced most of the things myself and it's very important to know that they are normal and will pass. Leo says at no fucking point that angels, visions or what so ever are real. He says it seems real - which is actually the case if you have seen something like that. But that's about it.

Also, as he said: Be open to what can happen. The rational newtonian-worldview we are brought up in is not sufficient to describe reality as a whole. No framework is, that's why it's so ridiculous that this guy makes such a video - not seeing his own delusion.

So yeah, of course you should be skeptical to what Leo teaches you, especially if he goes far out with things like drugs or what not. But if you really do the research yourself (as he does I guess most of his day) you find that he doesn't just come up with things because he is bored. But if you just watch something that you can't understand because you are not open enough to at least research it yourself and then laugh about it or misinterpret it, doesn't help you very much here.

And I myself find a lot of descriptions from guys like Rupert Spira or Alan Watts more fitting then anything else, but in the end these are all just pointers. 

Yeah I thought the same. I thought he is just doing it to get some sort of recogistion.

Leo's content from the video say that these are possibilities that could happen during meditation. So when I heard about the out of body experiences I didn't get emotionally attached and saying shit like "this is complete bullshit and not possible" etc. This dude's mind is not open and clings to ways meditation should be. He also has similar views toward psychedelics. Closed minded to the possibility that 5-Meo is not a magic pill. Maybe he is right. But he went on to say that there is absolutely no magic pill that exists in nature which is closed minded so I wouldn't follow this dude.

1) because we got enough people telling us shit. 2) all answers lay within (do the work yourself), don't need another dude saying what to do 3) he is closed minded

[Rakesh]

11 hours ago, Dragallur said:

Oh ok, anyway as @bazera said. The biggest pitfall that he fell into was that he just did not watch the whole video. I get that it sounds strange "merging with lamp"... but Leo does not say that the angels really exist. I think he acknowledges that these are just hallucinations but very real ones. And he says that you should not cling that they will just pass. I think it is important for people to know about these things before it starts to happen to them and let go when it is the case. Let go, as Naked Reality says.

He always puts enlightenment in quotes, says it is not special, and that enlightenment is merely a pointer towards the dropping the belief in all ideas and seeing reality in it's naked form. It is implied in every video that he is in this state, but he never outright says it.

[Rakesh]

1 hour ago, Azrael said:

Yeah, I thought this as well as I saw the video, but I would've hoped that he came up with actual, good critique. He is basically mis-interpreting Leo here and laughing at him. This shows me that this guy himself is completely delusional and trapped in his spiritual ego (even if he claims to be enlightened what he might be - you can still be an idiot and delusional after your awakening).

I like Leo's video because I have experienced most of the things myself and it's very important to know that they are normal and will pass. Leo says at no fucking point that angels, visions or what so ever are real. He says it seems real - which is actually the case if you have seen something like that. But that's about it.

Also, as he said: Be open to what can happen. The rational newtonian-worldview we are brought up in is not sufficient to describe reality as a whole. No framework is, that's why it's so ridiculous that this guy makes such a video - not seeing his own delusion.

So yeah, of course you should be skeptical to what Leo teaches you, especially if he goes far out with things like drugs or what not. But if you really do the research yourself (as he does I guess most of his day) you find that he doesn't just come up with things because he is bored. But if you just watch something that you can't understand because you are not open enough to at least research it yourself and then laugh about it or misinterpret it, doesn't help you very much here.

And I myself find a lot of descriptions from guys like Rupert Spira or Alan Watts more fitting then anything else, but in the end these are all just pointers. 

No misinterpretation really. Leo literally says in the video that the angels and shit are not fiction. I Just watched his video, and rewatched naked reality's, and noticed he posted this in the comment section

"Hey people. Gotta go to class. Can not respond to your comments until tonight my time, but here is an update people should read: UPDATE: I just watched all of leo's video, and have to add/say a few things.

First of all I apologize because later in the video he does briefly say these experiences are distractions. He also does, however, kind of say that these experiences are real. That what when your consciousness reaches a high level (whatever that means) you start to see real gods, angels and shit. This fact combined with the frequent use of the words "high level consciousnesses." which are egoic as ego can be.

Point towards the fact that leo as of right now is developing a rather tricky/quite a massive spiritual ego that lies to itself about how it is indeed on it's way towards "spiritual purification" and "higher consciousness." Therefor almost everything in this video. All of the points in this video are still extremely relevant to those watching him. As I said in a response to one of my viewers in the comment section. I made this video because "I am coming at it from the perspective of someone who has been there/done that, and wasted a lot of time feeding the ego in the most creative of ways. Instead of seeing through it.

This video was made to help people on the spiritual path so they do not get lost, and just create a brand new "spiritual ego" instead of seeing through the ego. As one should on the spiritual path." To summarize leo is a very intelligent man that has read/studied the right texts, abd because of that says the right words at times, but cmon bros. It is obvious he really do be tripping haha. This is a phase, that some go through, however, and sooner or later he will see through said bullshit. :)"

I agree with most of what he says here & in the video.