Where does my consciousness end and the trees consciousness begin?

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Let me ask you this.. Is it 'you' who is no one outside of him or 'me'?

Don't know what that means.

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Because you are saying it works like a dream where there is only ONE Dreamer dreaming the WHOLE THING....So you are not open that simply there can be two dreamers or 7 billion separate dreams?

There cannot be separate dreams because Infinity is ONE. All dreams are within your dream.

Since God is Absolute, it experiences everything that exists. God cannot hide from itself because it is Absolute.

It's infinitely sneaky.

[seeking_brilliance]

@Someone here 1 arises in 0. What if there's just no dreamer, which is to say there's an infinite amount. 

[blackchair]

23 minutes ago, seeking_brilliance said:

That's fine. I suppose it's dependent on how burning this question is for you. I expect it might be, since you responded when I was saying it to the OP. ?

ooooops im all over the place

p.s one time i made up with a tree

Edited February 17, 2021 by blackchair

[Phyllis Wagner]

33 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Depends how conscious you are.

If you become infinitely conscious, you'll find that all those other simulations are just fragments of your own mind.

You are God. There is no one outside you and you are creating the entire thing using your intelligence.

Yeah, it's fucked up. Which is why the Truth isn't talked about much. It needs to be kept a secret for the game to run. It's how you keep yourself playing.

Yes the simulations are fragments of one mind. BUT: they are running. So how does the tree not have a first person perspective? Sure, we are hooked up to the same supercomputer, but we are still running our own perspective-simulations. So how would the tree only exist when I (as a low consciousness human) look at it?

Edited February 17, 2021 by Phyllis Wagner

[blackchair]

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's infinitely sneaky.

oh god yes (sad noises) 

[Someone here]

21 minutes ago, seeking_brilliance said:

@Someone here 1 arises in 0. What if there's just no dreamer, which is to say there's an infinite amount. 

Don't know what that means lol. 

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

 

There cannot be separate dreams because Infinity is ONE. All dreams are within your dream.

Since God is Absolute, it experiences everything that exists. God cannot hide from itself because it is Absolute.

It's infinitely sneaky.

Yeah I think God CAN hide from itself because it's absolute. 

Edited February 17, 2021 by Someone here

[seeking_brilliance]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

Don't know what that means lol. 

No one does ?‍♂️

[Leo Gura]

43 minutes ago, Phyllis Wagner said:

Yes the simulations are fragments of one mind. BUT: they are running.

Only in your imagination

God is energy efficient. It will not create anything it does not need. All it needs is a single personal illusion.

But hey, don't believe me. Find out for yourself whether others exist.

[Gesundheit]

Consciousness is a stupid label. It doesn't represent reality.

Don't try to understand reality through the lens of your consciousness, you will never get it this way. Drop the you, which is your consciousness, and then maybe you will realize.

[John Doe]

45 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Only in your imagination

God is energy efficient. It will not create anything it does not need. All it needs is a single personal illusion.

But hey, don't believe me. Find out for yourself whether others exist.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong. I made a small diagram based upon my understanding of what he's saying here. I suppose THIS is what Leo Gura is saying? I understand the problems with trying to conceptualize this stuff too much, but hey, we need something to hold onto.

[seeking_brilliance]

9 minutes ago, John Doe said:

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong. I made a small diagram based upon my understanding of what he's saying here. I suppose THIS is what Leo Gura is saying? I understand the problems with trying to conceptualize this stuff too much, but hey, we need something to hold onto.

It's not finished.... Now, erase it. 

[RendHeaven]

1 hour ago, John Doe said:

but hey, we need something to hold onto.

said who?

@seeking_brilliance is correct, erase your chart and you'll be on the right track.

[lmfao]

I've seen a very small glimpse of the creation aspect to reality. I don't know how that would validate or invalidate whether there is more than 1 dreamer exists. Maybe if this insight was seen deep enough with consciousness it wouldn't be confusing, although that's difficult to believe

In this ordinary ego consciousness, one can still see philosophically they don't know if others exist.

 

If I ask myself the question "Does another person/dream/reality exist?", obviously that questioning process is occurring in my consciousness and reality. Even if that is so, that still leaves the answer unknown. A radical or existential honesty might be admitting that asking this is still conceptual, which is weird and scary 

Edited February 17, 2021 by lmfao

[Someone here]

3 hours ago, seeking_brilliance said:

No one does ?‍♂️

@seeking_brilliance are you comfortable with not-knowing? 

[Dark_White]

@John Doe my conceptual model is everything as you described but this time the real subject is all of the previous self, touch sight and all. So the last circle is not only the source but all of it. So if you round the entire model and calling it true subjective or objective, it is sorta of my model. 

[seeking_brilliance]

24 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@seeking_brilliance are you comfortable with not-knowing? 

Neither comfortable nor uncomfortable with it. ?

[Someone here]

@seeking_brilliance ofc

[seeking_brilliance]

14 minutes ago, seeking_brilliance said:

Neither comfortable nor uncomfortable with it. ?

@Someone here and it's that dynamic which suspends 'me' in appreciation for what arises. 

[Someone here]

@seeking_brilliance I see.

In practice I have to learn how to be comfortable with it tho. Or simply disentangle yourself from the issue of knowledge entirely and rest your mind. 

[seeking_brilliance]

@Someone here well, they say knowledge is power, but what kind of power is that?