Who Is Enlightened?

[Joseph Maynor]

11 minutes ago, krazzer said:

@Joseph Maynor Yeah I have the same perception, a few weeks ago I believed enlightenment was extremely rare. Now they seem to be all over the place.

Yep.  Most of the regulars are.  And Leo is way up there too.

Edited June 30, 2017 by Joseph Maynor

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Everyone and No One.

 

[Guest Annetta]

Not me.

[Joseph Maynor]

22 hours ago, Snick said:

Is this irony?

Am I enlightened?  

Here's the thing! No person in the world is enlightened. 

Not the person of Eckhart Tolle either! 

But let's take ET as an example here! 

Whenever there is an experience IN Tolle that is absent of ANY identification with Tolle himself, you might rightly so call that experience an enlightenment experience!

But other experiences IN Tolle might have identification WITH Tolle to them. That is how it should be, otherwise we don't function on a personal/practical level! 

Thus, within Tolle, there is a stream of experiences, some of them are of the type enlightenment experiences, but most of them are not! 

Intellectual he always know that all is one! But that's an easy task to arive to that understanding! 

Just contempalte a cookie for example. Try to find the "Cookieness" in that cookie! You will find everything but cookieness to it, like sugar cocoa, etcetera! 

Or contemplate a tree, the best example! Where is the treeness of the tree? You just find it consists of everything else but the tree itself, like the soil, the water, the sun etcetera.  

Everything depends on everything, rather everything IS everything

To understand intellectual that there is no separation in the world is an relative easy task! 

To have a direct experience of it is more difficult. Partly because we are not wired to experience reality that way! 

If we would, we wouldn't manage to handle life! 

We are wired to be naive realists. 

You can view enlightenment experiences as TRUE, but not NATURAL! 

And the natural way to experience is not true! 

To be human is tricky if you want to be both natural and true!  

That's why I like to refer to perception and particular the visual system!

It fools us all the time! It add and withdraw things that isn't there for purpose of survival! And particular it leave us with a feeling that the content we see is something other then just an inner representation that has no direct contact with the outer!  

A painter can add nothing but dots of colors to a bridge or a square, and we see people there!  

Human being are always complex! If you known Eckhart Tolle or Le,o, you would see for yourself! 

Rather, speak about enlightenment experiences rather then enlightenment persons! 

 

Got it.  This is deep.  Thanks for the information.  I need to work on experiencing reality that way.  Thank you!

Edited July 1, 2017 by Joseph Maynor