Is Vaccine Passport a crime against humanity? (No Vaccine is not Selfish)

[Leo Gura]

23 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

@Leo Gura This pandemic will take longer than expected. South Africa confirmed that the UK’s vaccine does not work against it’s variant. And since the virus will keep mutating, there’s no end in sight.

I'm not too worried about that. They can easily adjust the vaccines now for new variants.

The hard part was the proof of concept for rapid and safe vaccine development using mRNA. They mastered that. I'm sure they will make even better vaccines soon. And we are developing our logistics and distribution platforms too, so things will never be as bad as they were.

Really, we need something like a mail-home vaccine DIY kit. For hyper-rapid distribution when as new virus appears. Going to the doctor to get a vaccine is silly.

Really this covid was needed to future-proof ourselves against other, more deadly viruses. Now we will be much better prepared. So it's a net positive.

[Forestluv]

1 hour ago, Jodistrict said:

The problem is if somebody lies to you once, then what procedure do you use to determine whether what they are saying is true, that is better than flipping a coin?   I still remember when Colin Powell gave his presentation in front of the UN presenting the “evidence” that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.  The evidence was presented with many details, photos and maps.  The very few people who questioned this were called fools.  The media went along with the story 100 percent.

This is why it's important to see broader contexts and integrate multiple modalities of knowledge, evidence, reason, experience and intuition.

I also remember Colin Powell's testimony and I wasn't faked out one bit. In the larger context, it was totally obvious that neocons were using the WMD story as a smokescreen for their real goal. Rumsfeld, Cheney and co. wanted to invade Iraq to increase influence in the middle east for over a decade. It's was obvious all their efforts to link 911 bombers to Iraq were absurd. Real experts and actual inspectors were saying that the WMD claims are likely false and that Iraq is probably not that far advanced in development. The neocons WMD story was so absurd it lacked credibility - so they needed the only man with international credibility, Colin Powell, to sell his soul and pump the story. This isn't obvious in hindsight, it was obvious then to anyone willing to take a detached look. 

The covid pandemic is very different. Anthony Fauci is a lifelong epidemiologist and is credible, similar to Powell. Yet it's obvious Fauci wasn't a stooge for Trump, like Powell was for Bush. And it's clear that Fauci is genuinely trying to give the best information he can to the public. He might not be 100% accurate, yet the odds that he is intentionally misleading the American public is extremely small. 

Trump was obviously trying to mislead people.  Other times, it can be difficult to tell if someone is intentionally misleading. For example, during the primary Kamala Harris was sometimes in a grey area from my POV. Even someone like Bernie Sanders can be off. He genuinely wants to help and empower people, yet sometimes he distorts facts to make a point. For example, last summer he was posting figures about how much the top billionaires made during the covid crisis. I read critiques that the specific numbers were not precise and inflated. Bernie's point was that as millions of people were losing their jobs and homes, the top billionaires were making obscene profits. He used inflated numbers, yet I would give him a pass on that. 

[Forestluv]

@How to be wise Coronavirus strains may become endemic. We may need to get new shots periodically. I wouldn't be surprised if we need to get a new shot once a year for a few years. Yet the infrastructure is now in place. They will be able to create new vaccines more rapidly and distribute them faster. Similar to flu shots. 

[Leo Gura]

It would be really nice if we could remove all heavy metals from vaccines. Then people won't have to be afraid of them.

[Extreme Z7]

4 hours ago, Skenderberg said:

@Forestluv You have misunderstood completely. Some people do whatever the government tells them. Remember when Trump said to inject disinfectant as a treatment? I bet you think your vote matters in Murica.

Have you been living under a rock this whole time and have never heard of the MAGA cult? I feel stupid for pointing out the difference between people blindly following the government and people blindly following Trump.

4 hours ago, Skenderberg said:

 one of them is 83 years old. Wonder why he still stands, maybe because he has a strong immune system and never touched alcohol in his entire life. Maybe we should let the whole world get covid and let the weak die out?

I don't think people on here are giving you enough flak for being outright sociopathic. You're unironically arguing that people with health issues should just die. You're not just being wrong, this is bordering on possible mental illness.

[mmKay]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I'm not too worried about that. They can easily adjust the vaccines now for new variants.

The hard part was the proof of concept for rapid and safe vaccine development using mRNA. They mastered that. I'm sure they will make even better vaccines soon. And we are developing our logistics and distribution platforms too, so things will never be as bad as they were.

Really, we need something like a mail-home vaccine DIY kit. For hyper-rapid distribution when as new virus appears. Going to the doctor to get a vaccine is silly.

Really this covid was needed to future-proof ourselves against other, more deadly viruses. Now we will be much better prepared. So it's a net positive.

this could be it 

 

[Loving Radiance]

@Leo Gura  Antivaxx people will still be antagonistic and defame any sources judged to be not credible. "I don't believe those sources. Don't you see that the pharma group published the ingredients? Of course they want us to believe they are safe because they have a vested interest." smh

[Skenderberg]

@Extreme Z7 Losen up mate, you take things too seriously. They are developing a vaccine for your afraid tight ass as well so don't worry.

@Loving Radiance 

Do you know that the Pharma industry funds like 75% of the FDA budget? Why do you think Kratom is banned in Alabama? Alabama has the highest rate of opioid prescribing in the country. Of course, they ban so they can sell and make a huge profit from addicts. This stuff we learn from some TV channels here in Swe.

Not sure what they broadcast on TV in America but it seems like it's not very educational.

I think that people who consume energy drinks and rely on other stimuli like porn for their weak brain to function in society should stand back. 

@Leo Gura

Are you gonna take a shot every year? Imagine if you take the vaccine and all the work you've done meditating vanish because of some weird interaction with neurotransmitters. Like anti-5-meo. Do you think monks and sages up in the mountains take vaccines?

[Loving Radiance]

1 minute ago, Skenderberg said:

Do you know that the Pharma industry funds like 75% of the FDA budget? Why do you think Kratom is banned in Alabama? Alabama has the highest rate of opioid prescribing in the country. Of course, they ban so they can sell and make a huge profit from addicts. This stuff we learn from some TV channels here in Swe.

See, they are corrupt and have a vested interest. However, does that mean the information they give out is 100% false? No.

My point was that any sources no matter how credible they might be seen can be easily dismissed just because the rub you the wrong way. "I listen to my intuition. These corrupt pharma groups have nothing to offer." Throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Focus on the structure (sources) rather than the content (pharma groups).

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, mmKay said:

this could be it 

 

Wow! Very cool. That's definitely the future of vaccines.

26 minutes ago, Skenderberg said:

 

@Leo Gura

Are you gonna take a shot every year?

Depends on how serious things are. I doubt that's necessary for most people. It's just a nice backup option in case a more deadly strain appears.

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Imagine if you take the vaccine and all the work you've done meditating vanish because of some weird interaction with neurotransmitters. Like anti-5-meo.

Imagine if you don't take the vaccine and covid infects your lungs.

You are imagining some fantasy scenario for which there is zero scientific data vs an actual scenario which is quite common and has killed over a million people.

It is silly to imagine that the covid vaccine will vanish all your meditation gainz.

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Do you think monks and sages up in the mountains take vaccines?

Your logic is so foolish I don't know what to tell ya.

[Hansu]

3 hours ago, mmKay said:

this could be it 

 

Damn, cool!

 

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Really, we need something like a mail-home vaccine DIY kit. For hyper-rapid distribution when as new virus appears. Going to the doctor to get a vaccine is silly.

Or even making it so that pharmacies had some kind of DIY-kit device to fast-immunize ten people at a time. Just have booths where people sit and put the DIY-kit on, check that its properly on, push a button to inject and go to next patient. One pharmacist could easily immunize one person every 5 seconds.

[Skenderberg]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Your logic is so foolish I don't know what to tell ya.

I thought you were on a journey to become a Sage as said in a video? Have you tried home-grown Golden Teacher Mushrooms? It's like you get a lecture from the universe with plenty of insights.

1 hour ago, Loving Radiance said:

"I listen to my intuition. These corrupt pharma groups have nothing to offer."

If you want, they offer you erectile dysfunction from anti-depressants. It's more profitable to keep people sick than heal.

In west coast Sweden there are at least 2-3 shops in every city where you can buy natural remedies for all kinds of alignments. Even in drug stores nowadays you can buy plant-based medicine. In my city alone there are also spiritual teachers/shamans that do Reiki healing and stuff like that. 

People are becoming more health-conscious in parts of the world and aware of the corruption circulating Pharmaceuticals.

[Loving Radiance]

14 minutes ago, Skenderberg said:

If you want, they offer you erectile dysfunction from anti-depressants. It's more profitable to keep people sick than heal.

In west coast Sweden there are at least 2-3 shops in every city where you can buy natural remedies for all kinds of alignments. Even in drug stores nowadays you can buy plant-based medicine. In my city alone there are also spiritual teachers/shamans that do Reiki healing and stuff like that. 

People are becoming more health-conscious in parts of the world and aware of the corruption circulating Pharmaceuticals.

That is all true and yet focusing on the corrupted unconscious side of pharma is again focusing on the content rather than the structure.

[Twega]

1 hour ago, Skenderberg said:

I thought you were on a journey to become a Sage as said in a video?

@Skenderberg  You do realize most monks and sages have a bias toward psychedelics and don't take psychedelics, right? Becoming a sage does not mean you do or don't do things that a certain group does or doesn't.

So should Leo not do psychedelics because Buddhist monks on the mountains don't? Your reasoning is foolish.

 

Yes, big pharma is corrupt. Still, don't forget that the people who develop pharmaceuticals aren't CEO's, they are medicinal chemist/pharmacologist who have to spend years studying and mastering the science, they don't get rich the CEO does. Pharma still develops amazing drugs. Do you know who fuck people even more? The millions of frauds who sell you "natural" pills and supplements telling you they cure everything under the sun when in fact they do not DO ANYTHING.  Like this doctor fraudster who is against big pharma and constantly posts about how bad big pharma is

 

Do opioids kill? Yes. Are they addictive? Yes. Y'know what else they do? Block pain, very, very fucking effectively. As @Loving Radiance said, you are throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

 

 

[Jodistrict]

15 hours ago, Forestluv said:

This is why it's important to see broader contexts and integrate multiple modalities of knowledge, evidence, reason, experience and intuition.

I also remember Colin Powell's testimony and I wasn't faked out one bit. In the larger context, it was totally obvious that neocons were using the WMD story as a smokescreen for their real goal. Rumsfeld, Cheney and co. wanted to invade Iraq to increase influence in the middle east for over a decade. It's was obvious all their efforts to link 911 bombers to Iraq were absurd. Real experts and actual inspectors were saying that the WMD claims are likely false and that Iraq is probably not that far advanced in development. The neocons WMD story was so absurd it lacked credibility - so they needed the only man with international credibility, Colin Powell, to sell his soul and pump the story. This isn't obvious in hindsight, it was obvious then to anyone willing to take a detached look. 

This just strengthens the case for not trusting the media.  Because the media showed no skepticism, but went with the weapons of mass destruction narrative put out by the government almost completely.  I agree we need multiple modalities of knowledge, but the concentration of media power into smaller hands and censorship works against that. The media doesn’t deserve our trust.

[Forestluv]

10 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

This just strengthens the case for not trusting the media.  Because the media showed no skepticism, but went with the weapons of mass destruction narrative put out by the government almost completely.  I agree we need multiple modalities of knowledge, but the concentration of media power into smaller hands and censorship works against that. The media doesn’t deserve our trust.

You seem to be creating a single thing called "media" that should either be 100% trusted or 100% distrusted. I see it as much more nuanced. There are many forms / sources of media that are continuously evolving. As well, there are degrees of trust along spectrums. 

[Ananta]

I've had the Covid vaccine 1 and 2 simply to prevent the spread. I work with sick ppl every day now that I'm back doing patient care and it was the responsible thing to do. I'm gowning up  for about every 3rd pt d/t patient being Covid positive or signs/ symptoms of Covid.

Ain't gonna lie though Moderna vaccine #2 will kick your ass for a full 24-36 hours, but then you'll be fine. They say the side effects are the immune system showing the vaccine worked.

 

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Ananta said:

Moderna vaccine #2 will kick your ass for a full 24-36 hours

If vaccine kicks your ass that much, covid would have been much worse on you.

[Ananta]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If vaccine kicks your ass that much, covid would have been much worse on you.

I'm sure. It's not just me (just clarifying), multiple ppl just now getting the second vaccine are reporting the same on FB and all my coworkers with me all got very ill...but it only lasts 24-36 hours. I think it's worth it, but that's me. 

[How to be wise]

@Ananta I think it’s best to hide the ‘negative impact’ of vaccines, at least for now. Nothing is gained from mentioning it.