A recontextualization of Desire

[AtheisticNonduality]

@Leo Gura Junk food bad, sex good.

[How to be wise]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Sex is still a desire I have not figured out. It's so powerful and intoxicating. I see few spiritual masters have conquered it even in their 60s.

I think Osho mastered it. He was never in a relationship, despite having to sit in front of young sexy girls for several decades. Look at this picture:

Forget the video. This picture shows how semi naked women would close all physical gap between them, and despite many years of that, he successfully remained celibate. I highly doubt someone as famous as him could hide a sexual relationship.

[electroBeam]

Having a desire, to end all desires, is still a desire.

[Forestluv]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Sex is still a desire I have not figured out. It's so powerful and intoxicating. I see few spiritual masters have conquered it even in their 60s.

It gets easier as one ages due to changing hormones and decreased sex drive. Yet some guys 60+ are still captivated by it. 

I would say spiritual masters are in a unique environment. Their stature may allow for younger women to be attracted to them. And the spiritual master may be able to get away with it without much consequence. That is very different than 60+ men living in a Florida retirement home that doesn't encounter or attract many women. And different than a 60+ college professor that is around a lot of younger women, yet would face serious consequences if he slept with one. 

[Breakingthewall]

the problem with sex, the desire of desires, is that it is often corrupt in its essence. it depends on beauty, youth, it is utilization for satisfaction, ego. And deeply show power. prevalence of your genes. of course there is a pure and generous sex, but that's not what we are talking about. Sex is the most tempting thing that exists, but I think it is a great ally of the ego, one of the strongest

[Nahm]

@electroBeam

Pretty much. Why dilute yourself with thinking what is abundant in feeling...kinda comment. Just be wet. That’s where all the insights & epiphanies arise anywho. 

[electroBeam]

8 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@electroBeam

Pretty much. Why dilute yourself with thinking what is abundant in feeling...kinda comment. Just be wet. That’s where all the insights & epiphanies arise anywho. 

agree! Just like to make sure there's no sneaky shit going unchecked.

[Nahm]

4 minutes ago, electroBeam said:

agree! Just like to make sure there's no sneaky shit going unchecked.

That’s all we have. Lol 

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, How to be wise said:

I think Osho mastered it. He was never in a relationship, despite having to sit in front of young sexy girls for several decades. Look at this picture:

Forget the video. This picture shows how semi naked women would close all physical gap between them, and despite many years of that, he successfully remained celibate. I highly doubt someone as famous as him could hide a sexual relationship.

What crack are you smoking?

Osho was a playboy. He probably banged 3 new groupies every night. He certainly didn't transcend or master sexual desire. He indulged it like a rockstar.

If I did that, you guys would call me a devil cult leader charlatan.

4 hours ago, Forestluv said:

It gets easier as one ages due to changing hormones and decreased sex drive. Yet some guys 60+ are still captivated by it. 

I would say spiritual masters are in a unique environment. Their stature may allow for younger women to be attracted to them. And the spiritual master may be able to get away with it without much consequence. That is very different than 60+ men living in a Florida retirement home that doesn't encounter or attract many women. And different than a 60+ college professor that is around a lot of younger women, yet would face serious consequences if he slept with one. 

Of course hormones play a role. But that's not really fair either. Yeah, it's easy to "transcend" sexual desire by cutting your balls off. But that's not really a transcendence of desire, that's just tuning your body to stop producing the desire. That's like saying I have transcend my desire for dick -- simply by virtue of the fact that I wasn't born gay. By that logic I am a master of transcending the desire for dick. It never even arises for me. But do I really deserve credit for that?

And furthermore, to say that one has transcended sexual desire simply because one has no sexual opportunities, is also a kind of cheat. The real test is when a hot girl rubs her ass in your lap and you are still able to say no.

[How to be wise]

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Osho was a playboy. He probably banged 3 new groupies every night. He certainly didn't transcend or master sexual desire. He indulged it like a rockstar.

Can I ask what your source is?

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

Can I ask what your source is?

Sheila (Osho's #2) openly talked about how she would gather up groupies for Osho to bang.

[How to be wise]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Sheila (Osho's #2) openly talked about how she would gather up groupies for Osho to bang.

But wouldn’t that damage his image? I expect that most gurus want to be seen as a Jesus-like saint, so people would respect them. 

[Yali]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Sheila

@Leo Gura

And why do you trust Shelia

Edited February 11, 2021 by Yali

[Yali]

18 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

But wouldn’t that damage his image?

@How to be wise

hippies don't give a fuck

[VeganAwake]

The desire not to desire?

If desire occurs that's what's happening simple as that.

Maybe the idea that it's causing "a someone" to suffer is the real issue. ❤

 

[mmKay]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Sex is still a desire I have not figured out. It's so powerful and intoxicating. I see few spiritual masters have conquered it even in their 60s.

Buy yourself a fapmaster 6009 fleshlight flike a real man ?

Also certain diets lower libido drastically, which can be a good thing. For me, keto/ low carb does that but whatever works for you.

Also maybe some combined water fasting / celebacy cycles work at spacing out desire to orgasm

Those are my 2 cents? but you know you

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, How to be wise said:

Can I ask what your source is?

Osho taught to embrace materialism.

[electroBeam]

2 hours ago, Nahm said:

That’s all we have. Lol 

how are we meant to grow with that pessimism

 

[Preety_India]

It is possible to transcend sexual desires. It needs effort. 

But if you placed a piece of chocolate in front of me, mhmm it's not possible to transcend eating that. 

 

[Guru Fat Bastard]

Desire arises from a sense of lack. If the object of desire is obtained, then a temporary sense of fullfillment,contentment,peace (i.e, happiness) is experienced,only to find out later on that what you thought would finally fulfill you, didn't live up to the imagined idea or expectation you thought it would. So, the search is on again. It's only beacause you think you're somebody and/or something, that the idea that somebody or something will finally bring you happiness. The attainment of the object, and the subsequent contentment/happiness experienced, is not from the object. It is the fullfillment of the imagined idea of the object and the imagined idea of the contentment it would bring. Once obtained, the object eventually just becomes another object,proving that the object of desire was not the reason for your happiness. It was the temporary fulfillment of a grandiose and compulsive idea created in the mind. No object of desire,and this includes relationships, will ever live up to the expectations "you'" (itself a created idea/imagination) created of it. 
An idea of an idea.

Desire itself isn't really the enemy,it's the attachment and expectation you've created around it that is the culprit. If a desire arises and you can honestly say it's ok whether it is obtained or not,then desire is no longer a problem.
 

Edited February 11, 2021 by Guru Fat Bastard