Reality Can't Be Infinitely Infinite

[BipolarGrowth]

32 minutes ago, GreenWoods said:

Of course, ultimately, only what you experience right now is creation. And it is all of creation. Nothing else happened before and nothing else will happen in the future. 

But I was talking about it from the relative perspective. And you guys were too. 

I’m not really clear on how talking about it from the relative perspective aligns with what you said. If you said you were talking about it from an absolute perspective, I can actually totally get how potential is the same as creation. In the present moment, there is absolutely no such thing as a potential for anything other than that which is immediately being experienced (creation). In this way, creation is the same as potential. I kind of think of that in this way: when you are about to roll a die, there’s the potential for six outcomes. This is using one moment relative to another moment and it’s possible outcomes. When you actually have rolled the die and see the result in front of you, if we are examining only that precise moment, there is only the potential for the result you see. 
 

Another way to view this is consciousness changes. It’s much more like a television screen than a painting. The television screen is infinite as it can show anything (within limits of course, but these limits do not apply to consciousness). The painting can only show one thing. Creation is static for the painting. Creating is moving for the television. Talk about the present moment being all there is until you’re blue in the face, but you ultimately know consciousness is far closer to the TV example than the painting example. Herein lies infinity. 
 

Also, solipsism being true or not true has no effect on something being infinite or not. Just because reality is always viewed from one consciousness does not make it finite. If reality existed in a permanent state, everything would have to be expressed in that state for it to be infinite. Since the state of reality is always impermanent, as far as anyone has ever verified, it can be infinite while only expressing a finite possibility in each individual moment. Really this theoretical permanent state could never be infinite because of features such as location. You can’t have an infinite number of things all expressed in every location in one permanent freeze frame. The way you’re thinking about infinity is actually doomed to only produce the finite. What you are thinking of as finite is actually the only way infinity can exist, through impermanence. 
 

Btw, how have things been going with the sleep yoga? 

Edited February 11, 2021 by BipolarGrowth

[GreenWoods]

@BipolarGrowth Imo, more perspectives than just the typical absolute and relative perspectives must be considered when talking about such matters. 

• ABSOLUTE perspective: Only one 'substance' exists. Potential = Creation.
• Absolute Perspective: Solispsism
• expanded relative perspective: All of Infinity is manifest right now. potential = creation. Time doesn't exist. Every possible Solipsistic perspective/creation (including humans, animals, aliens, stones, atoms,......) of the past, the future and all possible paralel worlds/realities exist right now. Similiar to the scientific theory of parallel universes. Just a lot more radical (as it contains all of Infinity)

 

I haven't included what is generally considered the "realtive perspective" because it doesn't make much sense to me. If someone can explain it, I'm curious to hear. 

 

17 minutes ago, BipolarGrowth said:

Btw, how have things been going with the sleep yoga? 

Great! My current upgraded technique is : Always try to remain within the sweet spot of 20-40 hours of sleep deprivation. No deliberate sleep. Alarm clocks every minute (during training). And a further upgrade of the FILD technique. Most days I don't manage it yet, because unintentional sleep is damn sneaky. But I'm slowly getting the hang out of it. When I do my current technique + sweet spot sleep deprivation (which hasn't happened often so far due to unintentional sleep ruining it), I can consciously enter a very light form of light sleep.

[BipolarGrowth]

25 minutes ago, GreenWoods said:

@BipolarGrowth Imo, more perspectives than just the typical absolute and relative perspectives must be considered when talking about such matters. 

• ABSOLUTE perspective: Only one 'substance' exists. Potential = Creation.
• Absolute Perspective: Solispsism
• expanded relative perspective: All of Infinity is manifest right now. potential = creation. Time doesn't exist. Every possible Solipsistic perspective/creation (including humans, animals, aliens, stones, atoms,......) of the past, the future and all possible paralel worlds/realities exist right now. Similiar to the scientific theory of parallel universes. Just a lot more radical (as it contains all of Infinity)

 

I haven't included what is generally considered the "realtive perspective" because it doesn't make much sense to me. If someone can explain it, I'm curious to hear. 

 

Great! My current upgraded technique is : Always try to remain within the sweet spot of 20-40 hours of sleep deprivation. No deliberate sleep. Alarm clocks every minute (during training). And a further upgrade of the FILD technique. Most days I don't manage it yet, because unintentional sleep is damn sneaky. But I'm slowly getting the hang out of it. When I do my current technique + sweet spot sleep deprivation (which hasn't happened often so far due to unintentional sleep ruining it), I can consciously enter a very light form of light sleep.

When you say time doesn’t exist, are you also suggesting change does not exist? 

[GreenWoods]

2 minutes ago, BipolarGrowth said:

When you say time doesn’t exist, are you also suggesting change does not exist? 

From the "expanded relative perspective", yes. Change doesn't exist.

[GreenWoods]

37 minutes ago, GreenWoods said:

 

• ABSOLUTE perspective: Only one 'substance' exists. Potential = Creation.
• Absolute Perspective: Solispsism
• expanded relative perspective: All of Infinity is manifest right now. potential = creation. Time doesn't exist. Every possible Solipsistic perspective/creation (including humans, animals, aliens, stones, atoms,......) of the past, the future and all possible paralel worlds/realities exist right now. Similiar to the scientific theory of parallel universes. Just a lot more radical (as it contains all of Infinity)

 

Let me add:

• practical relative perspective: The exact same as "expanded relative perspective" except that time exists. So all the Solipsistic bubbles exist paralell to each other similar to how "paralell universes" would exist paralell to each other. But they are evolving. Only the present Solipsistic bubbles are real, right now. Past Solipsistic bubbles/realities happened in the past and others will happen in the future. Change is real. Impermanence applies here (while Permanence applies to the 3 above-mentioned perspectives).

 

Edited February 11, 2021 by GreenWoods

[Gesundheit]

@GreenWoods There's only one absolute truth.

Perspectives are just perspectives. Absolute Truth is not a perspective.

[GreenWoods]

21 minutes ago, Gesundheit said:

@GreenWoods There's only one absolute truth.

Perspectives are just perspectives. Absolute Truth is not a perspective.

I agree.

Absolute Truth is not a perspective.

All perspectives are pure mental masturbation.

But perspectives (in general) are needed for practical living. 

The only alternative is purely 'living' in accordance with Truth. Which would quickly result in physical death.

Edited February 11, 2021 by GreenWoods

[GreenWoods]

On 2/10/2021 at 8:22 AM, NOTintoxicated said:

, but if one of those finitudes were infinite, then the next "dream in reality" can never take place, because the previous one is preventing anything else from manifesting because it never ends.

From the "expanded relative perspective" and from the "practical relative perspective", that isssue is resolved. Infinite experiences can exist paralell to each other. 

[Mason Riggle]

“Little by little, or maybe all at once, everything comes to mean its opposite; unreason argues itself into reason, and vice versa, and we cannot see the seams.”
― Joseph Heller, Catch-22

[Gesundheit]

4 minutes ago, GreenWoods said:

But perspectives (in general) are needed for practical living. 

The only alternative is purely 'living' in accordance with Truth. Which would quickly result in physical death.

Perspectives are life.

We could say that the absolute truth is the sum of all perspectives, so no adjustments are actually required to achieve absolute truth, because it already & always is the case.

We lie, but that doesn't make the lies anything more than they actually are. The substance of a lie is thoughts, and thoughts are imaginary. Lies are imaginary, so they don't actually exist. We can believe them, or we can not. But either way, absolute truth remains unaffected, because beliefs are perspectives that occur inside absolute truth.

[GreenWoods]

@Gesundheit I agree

[Leo Gura]

Stop debating nothing and go do some practices.