Lifting up base-line consciousness with psychadelics

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

I stopped meditating and stopped pursuing enlightenment 

What is pursuing enlightenment? I think all of us are pursuing that but it's a wrong idea, the spiritual would should be removing the garbage, not pursuing anything. The problem is that the garbage is so encrusted that needs a strong chemical cleaner to descale it. but you have to use it only for this, with a practical purpose

[Nahm]

@Vrubel

If you were the bassist, and the band kept telling you to raise your baseline, what would you do? 

[allislove]

@Nahm

Nahm, such a Nahm, always wants to bring someone to the band ??

[Vrubel]

9 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@Vrubel

If you were the bassist, and the band kept telling you to raise your baseline, what would you do? 

That metaphor is going right over my head. I am as musically tuned as a tone-deaf rooster (;

[Nahm]

@Vrubel

Sorry...

What is your baseline consciousness? Can you explain? 

Can you articulate on what the shift is? 

 

@allislove

They already in the band, but they be leaving. 

[allislove]

@Nahm

Godspeed, my friend

[Consilience]

5 hours ago, Vrubel said:

Solution: don't overuse psychedelics, set your limits with both the dosages and frequency of the trips. Responsibility with psychedelics requires patience, wisdom, and listing to your intuition.

The more I read posts on this forum the more I realize that responsible use of psychedelics is a very rare thing. No wonder people are so overly wary of them.

Yes that is the solution. However I agree... it seems responsible is very rare on this forum. Early on I fell into this trap of thinking I had to be blasting off at least once every month or two otherwise I was wasting my time with meditation. Couldn’t have been more wrong. And I wish Leo, with as much influence as he has, would speak on this topic. But he doesn't seem to see an issue with this blastoff approach.

Psychedelics without a doubt facilitate powerful shifts in consciousness, but I don’t think frequency of trips is the primary variable... if we’re wanting to embody/integrate this stuff we have to have major grounding work. Again my bias from my own direct experience.

[Carl-Richard]

9 hours ago, Vrubel said:

Isn't it because you truly relaxed and surrendered when you let go of meditating and pursuing enlightenment. Spirituality can definitely work in counter-intuitive ways like this. Though if you never feel the call for spirituality again you must expect to stagnate. Are you fine with that?

I truly learned what meditation is. I'm not stagnating at all. Infact, my progress scares me.

[Carl-Richard]

8 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

the spiritual would should be removing the garbage, not pursuing anything. The problem is that the garbage is so encrusted that needs a strong chemical cleaner to descale it. but you have to use it only for this, with a practical purpose

I dropped that aswell.

[Vrubel]

4 hours ago, Consilience said:

Yes that is the solution. However I agree... it seems responsible is very rare on this forum. Early on I fell into this trap of thinking I had to be blasting off at least once every month or two otherwise I was wasting my time with meditation. Couldn’t have been more wrong. And I wish Leo, with as much influence as he has, would speak on this topic. But he doesn't seem to see an issue with this blastoff approach.

Psychedelics without a doubt facilitate powerful shifts in consciousness, but I don’t think frequency of trips is the primary variable... if we’re wanting to embody/integrate this stuff we have to have major grounding work. Again my bias from my own direct experience.

Good words, I agree.

[Vrubel]

28 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I truly learned what meditation is. I'm not stagnating at all. Infact, my progress scares me.

Sounds like you are in the zone. All of your bridges are burned, your only option is to surrender your fear of the progress and to self-love. Try to see how irrational and unfounded your fears are, pure delusion. 

[Carl-Richard]

11 minutes ago, Vrubel said:

All of your bridges are burned, your only option is to surrender your fear of the progress and to self-love.

That is the not so easy part

[Vrubel]

8 hours ago, Nahm said:

@Vrubel

Sorry...

What is your baseline consciousness? Can you explain? 

Can you articulate on what the shift is? 

Well... A part of me had died, there is less of me and more of the void. I feel my ability to see through the bullshit of negative and fearful thoughts has increased. Also, I am more aware of how layered my emotions are. For example: on the surface, I might feel all kinds of angsty and negative sensations but on a deeper level I feel very confident, lionhearted, and still. I am becoming more grounded in that second layer, It really feels like I am connecting with the divine masculine. 

It is also easier for me to invoke self-love when experiencing negative thoughts, beating myself up, or feeling down. 

To sum it up: the world is more mysterious and "without me". 

 

 

[Nahm]

@Vrubel

Thanks. I think I get what you’re saying. Music wise, the baseline is the baseline. While there’s a lot one could do with it, there isn’t much that can be said about it. It won’t be found in the snare or kick drum for example, because it is the baseline.  Consciousness wise, it’s a kind of general term, a reference to where your consciousness is, as in, where you’re at on the path. Sound about right? 

[Vrubel]

@Nahm Yeah, I get that. Consciousness is the "incommunicable basic force". You can only talk about its symptoms/manifestations.

Also, I want to add that I am still not totally used to the world being more mysterious and "without me". In a sense, I feel this existential awkwardness. So until my newfound consciousness normalizes, I will withhold from psychedelics. 

[Nahm]

@Vrubel

That makes a lot more sense, thanks. I guess that’s where the definitions fall apart (or hold together) really. If the bassist says ‘my baseline’, I get what he’s saying. He’s talking about the sound he’s currently making with the bass, or maybe referring to music, a baseline, that he wrote or recorded. But when the bassist says ‘my baseline consciousness’, I don’t know his thoughts, connotations, ideas, experience, etc, so I don’t actually know what he’s talking about. It would be a mistaken assumption on my part to think I could know what he’s talking about. Actually, I would never be able to know what he’s talking about, since it’s his baseline consciousness. From what you’re saying, it’s not a detailed communication as maybe I thought it would be, but more of a general reference to how the seeking, or path, or self realization experience is unfolding. Hard to say. Like you said it is incommunicable. 

[Haumea2018]

On 2/10/2021 at 11:36 AM, Vrubel said:

That’s why you slowly build up if you are a beginner. Overtime you fear decreases and your ability to surrender increases.

That's good in theory, but reality is different, and it's not a linear predictable thing.  The process of awakening is NEVER a linear, predictable thing - just chuck that idea in the trashbin.

E.g.

On 2/10/2021 at 1:20 PM, Intraplanetary said:

Recently, I experienced an ego loss after taking just 2 tabs of LSD. This happened because I made the intention to experience what is and totally accepted my surrender. On this mental state, I tripped and let go of ego, smoothly and beautifully. Incredible experience. I also fasted 5 days prior to the trip and this surely contributed to the whole voluntary ego-dying process.

This experience changed my baseline consciousness big time.

I've done higher LSD doses in the past and never had anything like that. So your statement is right to the point. 

That's precisely how it is.  It doesn't matter how many times you've done it at what dose.  It's not going to be something you can calculate, predict or force, because those are ego functions.  Surrender is not dependent on what the mind thinks.

(Which is why I don't particularly endorse the psychedelic route -- because you can do a bazillion doses and still not surrender.  It's not something you can force.)

Edited February 13, 2021 by Haumea2018