I am the creator. But in what sense?

[Breakingthewall]

After a more or less long meditation I went for a walk in the country and looking at the trees I realized something obvious: everything I see is in my mind. Those perfect trees, with that color, those shapes, are a creation made by me. Not like god but something more materialistic. All I see, hear, think, remember, are images created by my mind, based on billions of neural interconnections. My body has a series of sensors that interpret radiation and waves and based on it create images, which for "me" are the world, reality. For what i? Here is the dilemma. There is an i who comments on these images, values them, talks about them according to what he has learned. But there is another i who is who is working. A huge tireless work creating all this perfect universe in my mind in real time. It is me, a me that I do not even perceive, making this work of art without rest. And this work of art is "my" work, but not of the i that speaks, but of the i that does. Once I saw this, the talkative i fell silent, since I saw that with the creation of all this reality it was quite an activity, the other activity of commenting was not necessary. Why comment on something that I am doing myself? And this is when I had the feeling that this creation of reality is an original creation. I am creating reality in real time completely. I make it exist, everything exists in me. But not "i", because the "i" that speaks is also part of that creation. And this is where the confusion comes in. I have already read here many times that: I am everything that exists, I am imagining others, etc. I have not given it too much importance because my search is more towards the center, the being. But in this case I had the clear perception that I am the one who perceives, but perceives what I create, and that this I is not a self, it is the immeasurable breadth. I am struck by the doubt that if it is not simply that what I believe is my brain's interpretation of the material reality captured by my physical sensors, or if somehow I am really creating everything, and that everything that exists is what my eyes see right now. Everything acquires a sharper, new, perfect color. The wind moves the trees and I perceive the miracle of the perfection of that image. But do not have sense. Leo and many say: only you exist, the others are imaginary. What's the point of this? It is true that this moment seemed the reality, but I think it is an idea formulated so that we perceive something. What?

[Moksha]

6 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

But in this case I had the clear perception that I am the one who perceives, but perceives what I create, and that this I is not a self, it is the immeasurable breadth.

The perceiver is the perceived, the awakener is the dream, the creator is the creation. It is all God.

[Breakingthewall]

10 minutes ago, Moksha said:

The perceiver is the perceived

This is the point. Seems like that, but same time seems like they are two. The perceived is a creation of the perceiver, or is an interpretation of the perceiver. Useless question, i know, it's Impossible to answer. 

Edited February 8, 2021 by Breakingthewall

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

This is the point. Look like that, but same time look like they are two. 

When there is only One thing - you create the illusion of two, and then buy into your own trick.  Quite brilliant actually!  Oh i forgot - it's Infinite  ?  You're Infinite

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

you create the illusion of two

Better the illusion of three. One who is perceived, another who creates all the perfect images, a hardworking artist trained in millions of years of evolution, and a third who comments on the whole play, and he relates it all to his miserable fantasy of the "i"

[Moksha]

22 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

This is the point. Seems like that, but same time seems like they are two. The perceived is a creation of the perceiver, or is an interpretation of the perceiver. Useless question, i know, it's Impossible to answer. 

Perception is reality, in the relative sense. Ultimately, there is no perception, only being. The interaction of perception and being is the Mystery, but "we" are forever trying to solve it. The solution is to be.

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, Moksha said:

Perception is reality

Well, it would be said that there is a reality and a perception of reality, right? There is something and I with my perceiving organs (eyes + brain for example) create a perception, two separate things. and a third that analyzes and interprets it. I have seen for a while that they were only one, and that reality was being created, and in reaction my vision is completely materialistic now, and really it looks very logical

Edited February 9, 2021 by Breakingthewall

[Moksha]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Well, it would be said that there is a reality and a perception of reality, right? 

I see it as relative reality, which is perception-based, and ultimate reality, which is beyond perception. All of it is reality, just in different states.

[Breakingthewall]

18 minutes ago, Moksha said:

Ultimately, there is no perception, only being

At the end if you close your eyes and stop your mind only being remains. Maybe that's why it's sayed that all is illusion. About the perception and the reality, impossible to arrive to any conclusions rationalizing. Mental masturbation

[abrakamowse]

Don't try to understand it. Just quiet the mind with meditation and experience it.

Logic won't work...

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, abrakamowse said:

Don't try to understand it. Just quiet the mind with meditation and experience it.

Logic won't work...

Absolutely, better don't try. the mind gets rebel after those realizations but it's useless

[abrakamowse]

@Breakingthewall It's good that you are questioning and if you find an explanation that it works for you, good... but after some time you will have an insight that will break all what you believed hehehehe... so you create a new one and so on...

until you won't need anything more, you will just get it.

[Breakingthewall]

@abrakamowse until all is so clear that there is no need to understand. What a rest! It's the ego who have the need of understanding. And probably there is not possibility or understanding

Edited February 9, 2021 by Breakingthewall

[Moksha]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

@abrakamowse until all is so clear that there is no need to understand. What a rest! It's the ego who have the need of understanding. And probably there is not possibility or understanding

Knowing is fool's gold. Concepts are a false currency. Directly realizing is being. God, I sound like a Yoda puppet, but still stand by it 

[abrakamowse]

9 minutes ago, Moksha said:

Knowing is fool's gold.

You have to say it like this:

“Fool’s gold knowing Is”

?

[Moksha]

1 minute ago, abrakamowse said:

You have to say it like this:

“Fool’s gold knowing Is”

?

[abrakamowse]

@Moksha ???

[Valwyndir]

It's simpler than you think. 

Even the ego recognizes a conscious "I" and a subconscious "I."

Even the ego understands that there's an intelligence working it's magic in the background to keep the human body alive. 

Even the ego knows that part of itself includes the heart even though it has no voluntary control over its heart beat. 

Even the ego realizes it's dreams are the product of it's own mind, it just doesn't fully understand how its mind accomplishes it. 

There is one you: consciousness. 

But within that one you, there are multiple yous as well: the conscious you and the subconscious you.

These of course are fabrications, but so is any sense of "you" haha. 

This fabricated subconscious you not only operates the autonomic nervous system, but it creates your entire reality subconsciously. 

This, of course, must be the case in order to experience any type of finite character. 

You can have awakening experiences where the duality between the conscious you and the subconscious you collapse. 

@Leo Gura has talked about awakening experiences where he became conscious of exactly how he was creating his hand through sheer will.