spiral dynamics and marxism is the same theory with different search fields

[TheSomeBody]

i found that marxism and spiral dynamics are very similar.

they both have dialectics and they are changed by the material conditons, second they have pretty much the same predictions. they both think that there is a "state where individual, organizationor societal "MEMEs are in a healthy dynamic tension with surrounding Life Conditions"-marx didnt new about memes but he new how idiology is used for justify the material conditons and that people eventually will try to make a revolution that will take them to a better way to organise soicety to reduce tention. 

i made a picture to help you see my point . 

i will make another post about marxism leninsm and spiral dynamics.

please ask questions because i have some more points that it is really hard for me to communicate 

[commie]

Sure, Marxism has been very influential and people have been making store-brand pseudo-Marxism ever since. But what do you mean by "different search fields" exactly?

[Dryas]

You could probably try and fit capitalism like this if you tried hard enough.

[commie]

7 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Yeah... That graph is incredibly flawed.

As it should be. It's supposed to represent the old school Marxist POV, innit? Their notions about the stages of capitalism were pretty unsophisticated, and I don't think it's a strech to say that they all amount pretty much to the same thing.

[TheSomeBody]

2 hours ago, commie said:

Sure, Marxism has been very influential and people have been making store-brand pseudo-Marxism ever since. But what do you mean by "different search fields" exactly?

marx was not about psycology and sociology and those stuff like this theory

2 hours ago, Dryas said:

You could probably try and fit capitalism like this if you tried hard enough.

does capitalism works in red countries? nope, only in blue- orange and above

2 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Yeah... That graph is incredibly flawed.

First of all Socialism can happen at GREEN, the authors write so in the original book. There are different types of Capitalism, such as RED and BLUE capitalism. Marxism Leninism is an authoritarian one party ideology that you really need to drop

why flawed?
where is red capitalism? they success oriented that use some red 
why you think that i need to drop it?
i will make another one about marxism leninism and why it failed and what will happened . i think that marxism leninism is good for non western countries , thats the only way to be a normal country, look at asia, do you see non communist counries that making money? inida is fucked up with the liberal democracy shit.
 

2 hours ago, commie said:

As it should be. It's supposed to represent the old school Marxist POV, innit? Their notions about the stages of capitalism were pretty unsophisticated, and I don't think it's a strech to say that they all amount pretty much to the same thing.

why not ?

[commie]

7 minutes ago, TheSomeBody said:

marx was not about psycology and sociology and those stuff like this theory

Marx is dated if that's what you mean. But if you're talking about the topics rather than scholarly traditions... well, how much Marx have you read?

9 minutes ago, TheSomeBody said:

why not ?

Are you asking why it's not a stretch to do what you did in the first post of this thread (that is, putting all "capitalism" in the same box)?

[DocWatts]

There are some similarities between Spiral Dynamics and Marxism due to the fact that they are both dialectical theories. 

By that I mean that both are influenced to some degree by the German philosopher Friedrich Hegel and by what's become known as the Hegelian Dialectic. Broadly speaking its a philosophy that examines how systems (usually ideas or beliefs within societies) grow and change.

The main idea behind it is that an Agenda gives rise to a Thesis. Eventually the tensions that arise from a Thesis will give rise to its Antithesis. And finally the tensions will be resolved through a synthesis, becoming in effect the new Thesis, which gives rise to a new antithesis, and so on...

While this influence of Hegel and his dialectic was explicit in Marx's work, it's also so broadly applicable that its influence can be felt in a much more subtle and implicit way on developmental models such as Spiral Dynamics.

 

Good quick intro video on Hegel :

Edited February 7, 2021 by DocWatts