Girl against Feminism and how it is hurting man

[EddieEddie1995]

Inwill date this girl! wow 

What most woman don't understend is that a mature man wants strong and healthy independent woman. 

I watched few movies about woman with my gf  and she was all about feminism. She blamed man for everything. and she has the right to do so... especially in a Blue country.

But she couldn't understand how femenin values implemented in blue country that is very low on maslow hierarchy of needs is hurting man. They are weak and damaged. They are fucking scared of woman. 

This ruins their masculinity, which paradoxically forces them to be violent and defensive. Which makes woman become more femenistic, individualistic and stronger(they cannot relay on man). Which makes man more scared and defensive etc.

But I guess this will force man to mature. 

You can learn a lot by  watching this movie. 

You can see how weak man cannot accept reality(and the one guy who did, is suffering for it). They are so afraid of woman that they need to make them drunk(just example). No love and sex makes them do stupid things like rape! 

And traumatised woman seeking for revange makes them more defensive, and this is what got the girl in the movie in trouble...

I havent studied deeper on how femenism  works in Blue country, what do you guys think? What is the solution? ☺

 

 

 

 

[Parththakkar12]

I think a new system needs to be created to replace the patriarchy. This system must give women an empowered role in it instead of a disempowered, controlled role in it. While there is value in the old patriarchy and learning about how it works and what it was useful for which is why it's been such a prevalent system, it is fundamentally unconscious and must be replaced.

She talks about 'European values'. There is value in integrating your cultural values in the new system, for sure. I think it will look very similar to the old patriarchy on a physical level, in fact, except that it'll be a lot more conscious and a lot less oppressive.

As far as the whole trope of the 'strong, independent woman' goes, that's not going to fly in the new system at all. I can be sure of this. The new system will not overtly oppress a woman or stop her from doing what she wants. A woman will have the freedom to live her life however she wants to. However, it will not put up with man-hate, rebellion or holding on to being strong and independent for power. It will simply dis-include and cast out the 'strong, independent woman' and be like 'Alright. You want to be strong and independent? Fine. Do that. This system will not protect you, you are on your own. Good luck.' Here's one of the good things the patriarchy did - it protected women physically. The new system will only be protective towards women who want to be protected, who don't see protection as control. Fair and square. It is understandable why they see protection as control, because the old system did the protection narcissistically.

If you want a new system, you have to consciously choose to be dependent, which is ironic. The difference is that in the previous system, women were powerlessly dependent and trapped in it. In this system, all roles will be chosen, therefore, all of them will be empowered. Independent people get to be independent, no new system for them. Fair and square.

[Stomatopod]

2 hours ago, EddieEddie1995 said:

Inwill date this girl! wow

Careful. I didn't actually know this woman. But it only took about 30 seconds to know exactly where she was going with this. Standard fearmongering about Europe being overrun by arab rapists and the real feminist is a fascist tradwife. Great.

Makes sense that this is actually from Forum for Democracy. One of these far right think tanks pushing ethno-nationalism, deregulation, climate change denial, antisemitic tropes, and conspiracy theories. They also rail against "degenerate" modern art and creeping cultural marxism, and every other fascist talking point of the "New Right".

If you want a critique of Third-wave Feminism it should be coming from above, like a yellow or healthy green perspective, not from the very pits of toxic blue. I am sure we can find some good sources that point to the real problems with modern feminists, without misleading you down the path to thinking it's all part of a globalist conspiracy to destroy western civilization.

That said, I agree with your point about western ideas of feminism being pushed on heavily blue countries is counterproductive. If this woman's rhetoric resonates with men in less developed areas of the world, that is no surprise. But in a European context, this woman represents the very bottom of the barrel.

 

 

 

[Preety_India]

4 minutes ago, Stomatopod said:

Careful. I didn't actually know this woman. But it only took about 30 seconds to know exactly where she was going with this. Standard fearmongering about Europe being overrun by arab rapists and the real feminist is a fascist tradwife. Great.

Makes sense that this is actually from Forum for Democracy. One of these far right think tanks pushing ethno-nationalism, deregulation, climate change denial, antisemitic tropes, and conspiracy theories. They also rail against "degenerate" modern art and creeping cultural marxism, and every other fascist talking point of the "New Right".

If you want a critique of Third-wave Feminism it should be coming from above, like a yellow or healthy green perspective, not from the very pits of toxic blue. I am sure we can find some good sources that point to the real problems with modern feminists, without misleading you down the path to thinking it's all part of a globalist conspiracy to destroy western civilization.

That said, I agree with your point about western ideas of feminism being pushed on heavily blue countries is counterproductive. If this woman's rhetoric resonates with men in less developed areas of the world, that is no surprise. But in a European context, this woman represents the very bottom of the barrel.

 

 

 

You forgot to add 2 more ideal wives to the list of tradwife

• Stepford wife 
• Trophy wife 

[aurum]

@EddieEddie1995

We can critique feminism, but let's start with understanding and integrating it's POV first. Because there are many valid arguments made from feminists.

There has been historical repression of women. They were treated as property without their own autonomy. Which is not the same thing as saying men are evil. But we have to acknowledge that core wounding took place.

I do think feminism is going to continue to evolve. Teal Swan has made some good videos critiquing feminism from "above" that I feel are likely to play out. But so much of the current push-back against feminism is misguided.

[StarStruck]

The woman in the first video is a known racist and nobody takes her serious. She is from a small radical political party that learns towards right wing radicalism. 

[Yog]

Well, there has been a period in the last couple of decades where women are learning to let their masculine side come trough and integrate it. The opposite is true for men.

It  turns out, at least in the beginning that many women that do this end up disintegrated and animus possessed, exhibiting disowned and toxic masculinity.

This is also true for men, as they can end up aima possessed, especially around stage green.

Sadly to the common folk this gives the impression that this is not working.
All they see is disintegrated women and disintegrated men .... and all this mess done by the hand of feminism. Naturally and understandably why, they see it as a virus and fight against it.

I feel we need at least 20 years for this to settle a bit.

Edited February 4, 2021 by Yog

[DocWatts]

Identifying as an anti-feminist is just as backwards as openly proclaiming that you're anti- Civil Rights. In both cases it makes you look like a dumb and bigoted person not worth listening to or taking seriously.

That doesn't mean that excesses in both of these movements don't exist, but building an identity around opposition to feminism is going to make everything you say highly suspect.

 

Edited February 4, 2021 by DocWatts

[EddieEddie1995]

Wow guys! We have complete misunderstanding hahahaha I don't identify with the right or the left, and I need to work  on how to better articulate and write my ideas hehehe I will answer later, now Im too high  

[Hardkill]

Yeah, sadly feminism has had the side effect of emasculating men. That's one major reason why most women don't have respect for men including their boyfriends and husbands like they did in the older days. Also, feminism in a lot of ways has made most women these days not relationship material because most women are acting and speaking too much in a masculine way and haven't learned how to follow and cooperate with the men they are dating or in a relationship with.

When it comes to dating, sex, and romance women are supposed to be more attuned to their feelings, have the ability to emotionally express, be spontaneously creative, intuitive, love, be compassionate, go with the flow, be compliant. Men on the other hand need to be able to demonstrate more on the ability to give direction to themselves and women, provide practical support for themselves and women, provide structure and stability for themselves and women, be on their purpose and give purpose for women, take initiative for themselves and be the ones to initiate and end any kind of relations they have with women, be decisive, have a commanding presence, be more in the present when need be, and have tranquillity and stillness.

Neither of these masculine traits nor any of these feminine traits are superior to one another. They instead are supposed to complement each other like yin and yang. Also, both men and women have at least a minimal level of each and every masculine and feminine trait I just mentioned above. However, when it comes to dating, sex, and relationships men need to predominantly exude the above mentioned masculine traits around women, whereas women need to predominantly exude the above mentioned feminine traits around men. Women are to be like water or a waterfall that's flowing with beauty and emotion while men are to be like the rocks or the earth around the water or waterfall that provide the guidance and structure for the water or waterfall.

I suppose the exception to all of this might be with those who are homosexual.

[DocWatts]

36 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Yeah, sadly feminism has had the side effect of emasculating men.

Feminism has had the side effect of emasculating insecure men. Healthy masculinity isn't threatened by gender equality.

That has less to do with feminism, and more to due with unhealthy expectations that society places on men .

Edited February 5, 2021 by DocWatts

[Preety_India]

1 hour ago, DocWatts said:

That has less to do with feminism, and more to due with unhealthy expectations that society places on men .

It also depends on how threatened insecure men feel by a woman's intellect, strength and independence. And how easily they pin their Insecurity on feminism and get comfortable with themselves 

Ain't it? 

Edited February 5, 2021 by Preety_India

[Stomatopod]

4 hours ago, Hardkill said:

However, when it comes to dating, sex, and relationships men need to predominantly exude the above mentioned masculine traits around women, whereas women need to predominantly exude the above mentioned feminine traits around men. Women are to be like water or a waterfall that's flowing with beauty and emotion while men are to be like the rocks or the earth around the water or waterfall that provide the guidance and structure for the water or waterfall.

I don't accept all these prescriptions of what men and women are "supposed to be like".

Traditional gender roles were fine in the context of traditional environments. But something extremely drastic has happened to the human species in the last few generations. In the most advanced corners of the world, we are seeing the emergence of the first generations of women who are not entirely dependent on men to survive. Imagine women not being seen as property and breeding machines, but actually having the freedom to choose their own path in life. Just how shocking and completely novel a development that is will take some time sink in. When it does, and it will inevitably, conventional gender roles will disintegrate. And it's very, very threatening to traditionalists. The amount of feminine energy that will be unlocked will be like a nuclear explosion.

It's actually funny to see how men in the west are dumbfounded by women who don't want to "play house" with them. What's all this progress and evolution? Next thing we will have all of humanity being equal and free to self actualize on their own without one half being defined by their servitude to the other. The sky is falling.

 

[Preety_India]

I run my business in sales. I got huge commissions in an investment firm when I started out. 

I make my money. I have a small house of my own that I got on a loan. 

I am independent financially. I recently joined a marketing course to sharpen my skills even more. 

I don't want to be any man's servant or slave 

Thanks I can feed myself. 

Men had financial power over women for a very long time. 

Time for women to not give a damn 

 

 

[EddieEddie1995]

On 2/4/2021 at 11:57 AM, Parththakkar12 said:

I think a new system needs to be created to replace the patriarchy. This system must give women an empowered role in it instead of a disempowered, controlled role in it. While there is value in the old patriarchy and learning about how it works and what it was useful for which is why it's been such a prevalent system, it is fundamentally unconscious and must be replaced.

@Parththakkar12 How that system would look like? We have woman politicians on a rise that are fighting for woman rights. Finally. They now get more publicity which is pretty good. I must say that I don't have much exp. with political terms and politics, but I will share my observations. 

 

On 2/4/2021 at 11:57 AM, Parththakkar12 said:

If you want a new system, you have to consciously choose to be dependent, which is ironic. The difference is that in the previous system, women were powerlessly dependent and trapped in it. In this system, all roles will be chosen, therefore, all of them will be empowered. Independent people get to be independent, no new system for them. Fair and square.

You mean we have to evolve to orange? The only way woman can be empowered in a healthy way is when we get to orange. Right now with our blue  authoritarian country it is hard. We have stage orange female politicians on a rise though! Finally! You should see how scared are those old blue politicians when they are debating them lol ( I kinda feel bad for them) 

 

On 2/4/2021 at 11:57 AM, Parththakkar12 said:

She talks about 'European values'. There is value in integrating your cultural values in the new system, for sure. I think it will look very similar to the old patriarchy on a physical level, in fact, except that it'll be a lot more conscious and a lot less oppressive.

I agree! Orange and green values that we are picking up from internet is naturally pushing us to evolve. But here is what I see happening in the moment. Let me just say that the system is more complicated than the ideas Im sharing here lol 

First let me say that I em targeting people that  30 and younger. And right now Man are fucked from two sides(generalization ofc.). One is from their blue narcissistic parents that are pushing them to study shit that they don't like, work jobs that they don't like etc. and the other is by the stage orange marketing that is making them play video games, watch porn etc. They are far from integrating masculinity, and much farer from integrating femininity. 

Now lets bring in woman. Blue country has forced them to evolve on their own. They have to! They can't rely on man. So this forces them to study, learn, evolve, listen educational yt videos, there are a lot green feminine channels on a rise so they are getting way better then man that are playing video games and jurking off. And there is traumatized woman who is blindly taking feminine ideas from USA without even knowing what they mean. It is ego back lash that is fucking up man even more. 

So healthy woman is making man even more scared, and unhealthy woman are attacking them from whatever way they have seen on the internet, which is making them degrade in stage red. 

So here is my point hehe Woman right now need young  healthy man (stage orange) to rise and fight against blue authoriterian system. This will work for them even better, especially for the traumatized woman who need man to take care of them(the back lash is because they don't have security  and love, and how can you... when man are fucked up). I think that this feminine backlash that is picked up by western values is just bad timing! 

Here I want to show and bring awareness on the mans perspective. They are fucked. And this added  pressure from woman is forcing them in stage red even! 

I started a yt channel that will help man evolve and integrate stage orange values. Very excited for that!

I will study what happens next from other examples (countries) so I could understand better. What do you think? Im sorry for my writing, I hope you got what I wanted to say...! 

 

[EddieEddie1995]

21 hours ago, Stomatopod said:

That said, I agree with your point about western ideas of feminism being pushed on heavily blue countries is counterproductive. If this woman's rhetoric resonates with men in less developed areas of the world, that is no surprise. But in a European context, this woman represents the very bottom of the barrel.

Yep, I think it is counterproductive. I think this backlash is bad timing that's all. 

I don't know who this woman is, and what se represents... And by watching this video again I don't understand a lot of the terms she is using (I will stop posting things I don't undersrstand)...  But what I think I saw is yellow(I cherrypicked my own words-ideas from her mouth) critiquing green feminine backlash that is biased and cannot see mans perspective at all. 

And this feminine ideas are taken by blue woman. So.. you know, its making things worse. But things have to get worse before they get better hehe

[EddieEddie1995]

22 hours ago, aurum said:

We can critique feminism, but let's start with understanding and integrating it's POV first. Because there are many valid arguments made from feminists.

I totally agree! Blue man are blind to see how woman are suffering, and now this is mixed with blue woman are blind to see how man are suffering. They are fighting with each other but not knowing that they want the same thing! 

@aurum

22 hours ago, aurum said:

I do think feminism is going to continue to evolve. Teal Swan has made some good videos critiquing feminism from "above" that I feel are likely to play out. But so much of the current push-back against feminism is misguided.

It needs to evolve in Serbia! Man and woman need to integrate feminine side, but first they need to integrate healthy masculine! Woman cannot be in their feminine when they are  forced to be in masculine, i guess... 

I do think I watched few videos from Teal Swan that is trying to introduce mans POV. I love Teal Swan, I will watch some videos on it! Thank you!

Edited February 5, 2021 by EddieEddie1995

[DocWatts]

7 hours ago, Preety_India said:

It also depends on how threatened insecure men feel by a woman's intellect, strength and independence. And how easily they pin their Insecurity on feminism and get comfortable with themselves 

Ain't it? 

If a person's sense of self worth comes from where they are positioned within a Dominator Hierarchy, of course they're going to be threatened by the intelligence, strength, and independence of whomever it is that society has conditioned them to feel 'superior' to.

Thing about Dominator Hierarchies is that in addition to the obvious harm they cause to the people that are being subjugated, they are also detrimental to the people at the top of the hierarchies for the toxic notions of self worth they instill based upon illusory feelings of unearned superiority. So anything that comes along to shatter that illusion is going to be perceived as an attack on one's self worth.

Edited February 5, 2021 by DocWatts

[EddieEddie1995]

20 hours ago, StarStruck said:

The woman in the first video is a known racist and nobody takes her serious. She is from a small radical political party that learns towards right wing radicalism. 

Well, she got me on first sight! What I saw is yellow woman sitting in my lap LOL

[EddieEddie1995]

20 hours ago, Yog said:

Sadly to the common folk this gives the impression that this is not working.
All they see is disintegrated women and disintegrated men .... and all this mess done by the hand of feminism. Naturally and understandably why, they see it as a virus and fight against it.

Oh yes. They are hurting each-other! 

20 hours ago, Yog said:

It  turns out, at least in the beginning that many women that do this end up disintegrated and animus possessed, exhibiting disowned and toxic masculinity.

This is what is happening and it will get worse in years to come. Im talking for my blue country. 

20 hours ago, Yog said:

I feel we need at least 20 years for this to settle a bit.

Hehhehe! Maybe in Orange/Green countries  In Serbia it will take us 20 years to get to Orange