mass systemic rape in Uighur camps

[Vrubel]

@StarStruck 

Sure and that will be one of the major issues China will be facing. But ultimately those issues will be bumps rather than real obstacles. China will just reinvent itself after the initial turbulence, they already have the basis for high tech industries and manufacturing that delivers legitimate high-quality products. This will only expand and that's how they will eventually overcome the "middle-income trap".  

I am probably one of the most pro-American guys on this forum but I realize that China will eventually catch-up. I foresee China catching-up as much more likely than some big destructive collapse. 

[Keyhole]

China is a powerhouse, I think they will be fine, just my 2c.

[Javfly33]

I can't believe what I just read.

Jesus Christ

This is comparable to nazi concentration camps

[AtheisticNonduality]

20 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

My Hong Kong gf was very pro-democracy and pro-West.

Mmmhmm, obviously. 

[Arcangelo]

21 hours ago, StarStruck said:

China is a monster that will eventually eat itself up. 

Now the Uighurs are on the menu. After that others will be on the menu. And eventually the leadership itself will be on the menu. 

Unfortunately though. Soon there won't be any Uygur left. We will only know them from pictures. 

 

12 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

This is comparable to nazi concentration camps

 

[tsuki]

17 hours ago, Vrubel said:

Sure and that will be one of the major issues China will be facing. But ultimately those issues will be bumps rather than real obstacles. China will just reinvent itself after the initial turbulence, they already have the basis for high tech industries and manufacturing that delivers legitimate high-quality products. This will only expand and that's how they will eventually overcome the "middle-income trap".  

I am probably one of the most pro-American guys on this forum but I realize that China will eventually catch-up. I foresee China catching-up as much more likely than some big destructive collapse. 

"Just reinvent itself"? lol
Ain't gonna happen. Not for a country this big.

Edited February 5, 2021 by tsuki

[Vrubel]

12 hours ago, tsuki said:

"Just reinvent itself"? lol
Ain't gonna happen. Not for a country this big.

reinvent/transition/envolve, whatever you want to call it. Whenever China will be stagnating and forced to do so they will do that and they already are doing it. That was my point, don't focus up too much on the sementics. 

China is big but it is a highly centralized one-party state which is practically full-on capitalistic. Add to that a highly educated youth and an up-and-coming tech sector. China is now only in the starting phase of transitioning from being the world's factory for all kinds of crap and American tech to being a powerhouse of world-standard quality engineering and home-grown tech. 

 

Edited February 5, 2021 by Vrubel

[tsuki]

@Vrubel You are repeating this over and over again. Realize how defensive you are.

This is not a discussion about China's economy, but about atrocities they commit against minorities. You are acting like China's spokesperson in this thread. Stop diverting it's course.

[Vrubel]

 

57 minutes ago, tsuki said:

You are repeating this over and over again. Realize how defensive you are.

Yes, I will reiterate my points if I see that they are misunderstood. (Like you seemingly had). This has nothing to do with defensiveness. I have some attachments in life whereover I can get very defensive about, China is definitely not one of them.

 

57 minutes ago, tsuki said:

This is not a discussion about China's economy, but about atrocities they commit against minorities. You are acting like China's spokesperson in this thread. Stop diverting it's course.

I began with calling China out and then spun off. Happens with treads where people have discussions. 

(BTW. discussing China's economy is not that unrelated to this topic. Don't be so quick to shut down this discussion, I am (still) open to any informed rebuttals to what I said. The title will always hang as an open wound above this tread no matter what we are discussing here.)

Edited February 5, 2021 by Vrubel

[intotheblack]

 

[snowyowl]

... and now the CCP hits back against the BBC: 

"China has banned BBC World News from broadcasting in the country, its television and radio regulator announced on Thursday.

China has criticised the BBC for its reporting on coronavirus and the persecution of ethnic minority Uighurs."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-56030340 

Edited February 13, 2021 by snowyowl

[blackchair]

On 03/02/2021 at 6:42 PM, fridjonk said:

This is where absolute Love really tests you.  

this.

[Vladz0r]

All Right, I really was trying to resist the urge to post in this thread, because people have been misled by western propaganda.

Let's start with what "communism" actually means:

Proletariat - workers or working-class people, regarded collectively (often used with reference to Marxism).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictatorship_of_the_proletariat#:~:text=The dictatorship of the proletariat is the intermediate stage between,ruling proletarian state party%2C and

Rule by the proletariat - means that the workers are the rulers of the party.
This means that the employee actually has rights, and ownership of the profits of the country.
This means that as the price of livin in your country increases, so does your standard of living.
This means that your dollar is worth MORE each year, rather than LESS. 
You can no longer purchase a $100,000 family home everywhere in the U.S, as wages have not scaled with inflation.

 

Who actually runs the "Media" that you're citing
www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1_lCe3vyyc

We're not even looking at all the war crimes committed by the U.S. in the middle east with how we dethrone governments, sanction them, etc.
This is just what we do to countries that oppose the US - we bomb to the ground.
We bombed North Korea to the ground as well, but like a phoenix, they've risen from the ashes. We do the same to Yemen, places in the middle east. It's literally a Google Search away - https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk02VzTEFocvI2oe0YqpB9HDbNBSwwQ%3A1613328316978&ei=vG8pYPuMO-Xl5NoPwuKQmAw&q=obama+war+crimes&oq=obama+war+crimes&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAM6BQgAELADOggIABCwAxCGAzoICC4QkQIQkwI6BQgAEJECOgIIADoLCC4QsQMQxwEQowI6CAgAELEDEIMBOg4ILhCxAxCDARDHARCjAjoFCAAQsQM6BAgAEEM6BwguELEDEEM6BQguELEDOggIABCxAxCRAlC0BliWEGC8EGgBcAB4AIABmgGIAZoJkgEEMTQuMpgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrIAQLAAQE&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwj72vSphOruAhXlMlkFHUIxBMMQ4dUDCA0&uact=5

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_North_Korea
U.S. Vs. North Korea: https://imgur.com/Ax2qqZS

Important video to actually understand how China's economy functions, and how it puts workers first in its economy.
Explanation of Chinese with Socialist Characteristics - why China is not anti-democracy, or incapable of understanding markets. This one one of my favorites for explaining how Scientifically minded China is, along with the Deng Xiaoping video below. It serves as an economics lesson to capitalists and socialists alike.

 

 

The Chinese transition between Mao Zedong and Deng Xiaoping who revolutionized modern china, paving the way for prosperity. This one goes into how China started ramping up the education of its citizens and paving the path for a high standard living and robust Middle Class in China.

 

 

The planned economy in the Soviet Union - many people don't realize what rights were given in the Soviet Union, and how its planned economy that rejected capitalism helped serve its citizens.

 

 

People talk about Taiwan and Hong Kong as if they aren't Propaganda machines and puppets of the United States.
We quickly forget these acts of terrorism on China by the U.S. puppet states:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Terror_(Taiwan) - suppression of properly journalism.
People say "Oh, it would be so much better if Taiwan or Hong Kong ran China"
To this I just have this picture: https://imgur.com/HZrMByg

 

Uyghurs in Xinjiang

 

 

Food  Culture and its preservation in China
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_cuisine

 

Uyghurs living in China

 

This isn't even where Xinjiang is on a map. They've strategically positioned it near Hong Kong to ride off the "Free Hong Kong" propaganda.

 

Learn about the history of the Hui people in China
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hui_people

 

List of Mosques in China - note that these have been maintained and rebuilt with state funding:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mosques_in_China
 

 

Americans feel more free in China than in the United States, especially in this generation of disparity in the US. In China, there is real class mobility compared to the U.S.

 

 

China's Comprehensive Poverty Relief Plan for every family in the entire country:

They have a bottom-up form of leadership to make sure that families can stay above the poverty level.
Some people will say that the RMB to USD equivalent of the Chinese poverty line is too low.
Let me remind you that in the US, the poverty line is $12,760. If you think that this is enough for Rent, Transportation, Utilities, Healthcare, Food, and proper education, which are all provided in China, well...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fare_of_passenger_trains_in_China

Mind you, this is sponsored by the government anyway.
Chinese Social Security provides a housing fund, medical, unemployment insurance, etc.
https://www.china-briefing.com/news/chinas-social-security-system-explainer/

Introduction to Shenzhen, China's technical powerhouse city:

 

 

How expensive is it to live in Shenzhen:

 

 

Cool Job Fair video in Shanghai, where they actually bring in people from poor countries.

Africa on the road to having a better rail system than us:

 

 

 

China involvement in Africa, specifically in Libertia:

26:22 is a nice place to start
There are criticisms of Chinese involvement in the video as well, as there is still a debt cycle that happens, but they've allowed Liberia to refinance 83 times, and their dedication in Africa is not imperialism, as the US's involvement has always been.

Xinjiang - walking through the area

 

 

 

Sichuan University Campus Tour:

 

 

"But in China you can't be rich! You can't own anything!"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_by_net_worth

 

But yes, you are not untouchable in China:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-29/china-finance-official-executed-in-bribery-case

 

 

The number 1 tactic that the U.S. has to turn the people against their own government is sanctions.
https://www.state.gov/cuba-sanctions/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_North_Korea#:~:text=In July 2017%2C after the,Through Sanctions Act was passed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctions_against_Iran

 

And don't think that just because you live in the "Free West" that you have Freedom of Speech with no censorship:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/why-anthony-bourdains-parts-unknown-iran-set-episode-isnt-hulu-1270701
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4149112/
This episode of Parts Unknown humanizes the Iranian people, which is a big No No for the U.S. 
I can go on and on about how we sanction and dethrone communist countries because their higher-up fascist leaders line the U.S's pockets. Obviously we wouldn't want their people to have a higher standard of living - our economy is built off of their low paid labor.

Mexico's Minimum Wage:
https://www.mexperience.com/mexicos-minimum-wage-2021/#:~:text=Mexico's minimum wage was raised,the 2020 rate of %24185.56.
Oreos made in Mexico - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oreo_boycott#:~:text=In 2015%2C Mondelez International%2C the,was moved to Salinas%2C Mexico.
Would it surprise you to know that Mexico is a high crime capitalist Spanish country?

 

Wealth Inequality and Crime - The Gini Index (can't embed, ran out of embeds perhaps):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3XYHPAwBzE

 

Anyway, most of this is just to explain how China has ramped up their means of production via capitalism with socialist characteristics.
The United Nations is still investigating the Uyghur camps. The problem is that investigative reporters have not actually come in to thoroughly review the areas and the evidence, so we are taking this on blind faith based on corroborated reports. I'm defending the structure of the Chinese economy and its support of workers' and individuals' rights, and their perspective of freedom, leadership, and poverty alleviation.
The reason for censorship in China is due to the western propaganda machine that it uses to turn the people against their own governments, as we've launched in Cuba, despite Fidel Castro coming in and providing universal healthcare and vastly improving literacy rates, and having a higher life expectancy in the U.S. There's just too much to unravel that us proud westerners can't possibly begin to understand. Just follow the money, look at the capitalists, starve the people, and run the propaganda machine.

Edited February 15, 2021 by Vladz0r

[blackchair]

i didnt even open the OP link because im scared, but i love China with good and bad sides....i dont have expertise tho and i cant trust media.....

[Lyubov]

has this been posted? this is insane and fucked up 

is it even possible to boycott China? I am trying consciously to try my best not to spend any money on stuff made there.

China has the largest mass incarceration of an ethnic group since the holocaust.

Edited February 14, 2021 by Lyubov

[commie]

14 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

is it even possible to boycott China? I am trying consciously to try my best not to spend any money on stuff made there 

It's certainly possible as long as you're not a perfectionist but what would it achieve?

For purposes other than feeling righteous, you need an organization that can put out a strong message. And such a campaign could easily make matters worse. It's not like the PRC can be pressured into giving up One China.

[Lyubov]

19 minutes ago, commie said:

It's certainly possible as long as you're not a perfectionist but what would it achieve?

For purposes other than feeling righteous, you need an organization that can put out a strong message. And such a campaign could easily make matters worse. It's not like the PRC can be pressured into giving up One China.

I wonder what can be done about this on the short term or is this going to go down in the history books as a forgotten tragedy?

[commie]

Like I said on the first page, getting prosperous places to accept refugees is a thing that can be done.

[kray]

On 2/3/2021 at 9:11 AM, intotheblack said:

new eye witness accounts from BBC has come to light,  women in China's "re-education" camps for Uighurs tell of mass systemic rape, sexual abuse and torture.

heartbreaking to read
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-55794071

 

I am not one to be pro-intervention, but I definitely do think this has to be one of the center stage issues that the UN and other nations should address. 

[Arcangelo]

I am pro intervention