Frustration with other points of view that seem crazy and retarded.

[Leo Gura]

@Yali Dude, if you're gonna follow my work, maybe start using your head at least. Otherwise why are you here?

[Rilles]

@Yali There is no male and female unless a mind is there to say there is. 

 

[Megan Alecia]

24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@sorrytoch Where in the universe is male and female defined?

My pet theory is that the male is represented by the phallus which itself stands for evolution, pushing forward=humanity, while female is embodied by the vagina, which is nothingness, the other side of the world, but this nothingness is really everything, just like when the woman gives birth. I say this as a trans woman lol, which is actually ironic but idk.... I don't really mind. 

[Yali]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Yali Dude, if you're gonna follow my work, maybe start using your head at least. Otherwise why are you here?

@Leo Gura

That's my best answer given what I know to be true. Sounds like you’re not satisfied.

 

Edited February 3, 2021 by Yali

[Tim R]

6 minutes ago, Yali said:

@Leo Gura

Being male is a self-evident fact.

You see it as a social construct.

Sorry, but that confuses me?

@Yali No, male or female are even less than a social construct. They are ideas.

Ideas are of the same "degree" of reality as for example the constellations of the stars. 

The constellation of the stars doesn't actually exist in the night sky, it's only a construct of the mind which we then project onto reality. 

Equally, male and female are just ideas. They are symbols, abstractions that we have created just like every other idea/symbol in order to help us navigate the world.

[_Archangel_]

36 minutes ago, Yali said:

is this spiritual dogma

@Yali  No need to get spiritual here, just study anthropology.

Edited February 3, 2021 by _Archangel_

[Megan Alecia]

It's true that there's a lot of dogma here. Would be nice to see more direct "meditation trip reports" if you will. Or otherwise just present them as ideas. The dogmas themselves are shaky, you can actually feel them. 

[Tim R]

6 minutes ago, Yali said:

How do you know male & female is just an idea? Have you directly experienced this?

@Yali Grab some object nearby. Look at it. Let's say you took a cup. Realize, that you only call this thing "cup". Actually, it isn't a cup, you only call it "cup". 

What is it? 

Is it a "thing"? No. because "thing" is also just an idea. You just call it "thing". 

Whatever "it" is - it's neither a "cup" nor a "thing". Can you realize that whatever "it" is, it is not an idea? 

"Cup" is an idea.

"Thing" is an idea.

Whatever you're holding in your hand right now is not an idea.

Same goes for male and female. It's just an idea.

[lmfao]

5 hours ago, Derek White said:

@Leo Gura Bruh... the reason homosexuality was suppressed was because the majority of people were naturally straight... it’s the same reason left handed people were considered bad... humans in the past valued conformity and hated anyone that differed even slightly.

@Derek White This is very true as well.
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 @Rilles Good point about fertility

Something associated to that is raising children and having family units. Making sure "women be women" by doing their motherly duties, making sure "men be men" in their fatherly duties. Perhaps the male/female divide was the strategy used for division of labour.

Whilst seeing it as a division of labour is one angle, I'm open to others. Humans don't always do what's best for their survival. Sometimes they do quite the opposite due to "ego", and that is another form of survival.

It's important to make the distinction between "ego survival" and actual physical survival. Sometimes you can link the two (since at the deepest level the reason for "ego survival" existing is no different to physical survival) , but sometimes you can separate. "She'd rather die before admit she was wrong" , sometimes humans are stubborn to the detriment of their survival. 
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@Leo Gura Male/female duality being heavily enforced for the sake of survival makes sense. Coming along with that is the taboo of homosexuality. It looks like a strategy with "wisdom" behind it (in the right situation), but it's not always an "optimal strategy". It just looks like something that was done because from that limited POV it looked like the best thing to do. 

Edited February 3, 2021 by lmfao

[Megan Alecia]

"May each go his own way." ~ Carl Jung

[sholomar]

On top of the gay crowd you have the increasing number of MGTOW and  incels.. the less attractive men with boring personalities who used to make the cut back when women were more dependent on men and there were less men to compete with due to wars, but don't really make the cut today because they lack the traits that turn women on like crack (confidence, humor, indifference, edginess, and wild dirty sex) Our society is emasculating men in the school system and demonizing masculine traits but the problem with that is it doesn't mesh with what women's biology tends to see as "sex appeal"  so a growing number of men are becoming frustrated with the dating market and society as a whole.

They tend to be the target of hate and ridicule when society and culture and biology/DNA helped to produce them. As someone who used to be one, a little bit of sympathy might be better given to them but I understand human nature... we like to bully. I'm fortune to have dug myself out of my hole and am transforming myself, but a lot of them are stuck in their habit loop.

A look back at history shows that this is nothing new.. you can see the majority of males never did breed with females during the evolution of our species... the "alpha fucks beta bucks" as it's been known.. it seems like  monogamy is a relatively recent thing. We still have a lot of animalistic/tribal characteristics wired into our biology/DNA which is not surprising for anyone who's researched all this.

https://psmag.com/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success

Also, homosexual behavior was far more common than some would have you think. In fact if you look at other mammal species homosexual behavior is common. You can also look at our closest genetic ancestor, bonobos, for hints on behavior, as well as the few remaining  indigenous tribes that remain largely untouched by humans. It's fascinating.

Edited February 3, 2021 by sholomar

[lmfao]

1 hour ago, Yali said:

I think it's my right to be confused.

It's not about you being confused. It's about you giving non-answers like "It's self-evident.", as well as your pattern on this forum of asking other people questions without giving any meaningful input.

If you're going to ask people questions all the time, at least type something meaningful and show that you're engaging. 

[Abdelghafar]

2 hours ago, Yali said:

@Leo Gura

It's self-evident.

It's self-biased.

 

[mandyjw]

11 hours ago, lmfao said:

Ultimately, what I'm typing out is my problem with digesting and accepting that people can think things I find completely crazy, illogical and inferior. That's the root of what's going on in my mind, and I "projected" it onto other people as I questioned and pondered why they are so "retarded" with this arbitrary question of gender and sex , rather than focusing on myself. 

Very strong feelings of frustration arise in trying to understand and empathise with these POV's, as well as the hundreds of other POV's that I find absurd... Frustration because I feel I'm not accepted! Bingo! Despite that mini insight the energy of the frustration is still not expanded.  
 

Wildly different views challenge what you think yourself to be or what you think yourself to know, just like gay or gender fluidity challenges people's identities when they have identified strongly with the gender norms they were taught. Reaction and judgment is all in how you identify yourself. It can manifest in any number of ways, cause you can identify and think in any number of ways. 

[lmfao]

2 hours ago, mandyjw said:

Wildly different views challenge what you think yourself to be or what you think yourself to know, just like gay or gender fluidity challenges people's identities when they have identified strongly with the gender norms they were taught. Reaction and judgment is all in how you identify yourself. It can manifest in any number of ways, cause you can identify and think in any number of ways. 

@mandyjw The simple truth of it is, unless someone thinks the same as me (within whatever bounds I've unconsciously created), I hate it! Like unless people agree with me, I'll feel lacking or alone or not accepted. So I have just need to let go and be at ease with other people thinking and being what they are.

But there's also another thread here. I hate "being the villain" , hate disagreement and hate conflict with people. And that's intertwined with disliking people having other opinions, because I dislike conflict. 

But the universe keeps guiding me to taking the role of being abnormally honest in real life, where I have to be the one to say and do difficult things for the sake of lifting up myself and those around me. Sometimes I get pissed at God "Oh why oh why do I have to be the one to do it, why can't someone else".

But it's all good I guess. Gets me excited and nervous at the same time. If I want things to change or improve, I have to be the one to take responsibility and take those first steps, can't expect others to do it for me. 

Edited February 3, 2021 by lmfao

[Megan Alecia]

@Abdelghafar to play the devil's advocate here, who isn't self biased? 

[Abdelghafar]

5 hours ago, Megan Alecia said:

@Abdelghafar to play the devil's advocate here, who isn't self biased? 

@Megan Alecia, It is not absolute that everyone can always be a 100% self-biased and vice versa. For example, sometimes one can detach from their bias and try to accommodate and consider other people's perspectives and views, that's when we try to be open-minded and considerate of other people. But the same works in reverse, for a personal example, I can't always be 100% accommodating and respective of all people because I have to survive. You see, every second of every day, people's survivalist agendas are clashing with a fantastically selfish passion for survival. Neither positions are good nor bad, they just serve a purpose. It's like Leo said in his "Self Bias" video, in other words, "Bias grows like a weed in the garden of your mind till its tendrils overreach and populate it like a cancer, you try to extricate it, it will ultimately grow back perniciously and obdurately".

In addition to, it's interesting how you mindlessly say "Let's Play The Devil's Advocate" without actually noticing the Devilry in it, because if you were selfless when you said it, you wouldn't play. As Leo said, "The Devil (A Selfish Person) sees objectivity and impartiality as evil, biased and disloyal. What makes The Devil a Devil is that they absolutely gas-light objective, selfless and impartial people by projecting their own biases unto them. And so, to a Devil the worst possible sin is putting truth above loyalty to himself". Therefore, I won't play this game and I won't have these Cat & Mouse circulations because these debates are coping mechanisms to assert and serve your Survival & Self-Bias. This game does not really interest me, eventually I plug out and resume my life.

Solution to the devilry & self-bias issue is in the timestamped video below: 

 

Edited February 4, 2021 by Abdelghafar
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[RendHeaven]

14 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@The_Alchemist And banned.

finally

[RendHeaven]

1 hour ago, Megan Alecia said:

@Abdelghafar to play the devil's advocate here, who isn't self biased? 

"2 wrongs don't make a right!"

[Leo Gura]

7 hours ago, lmfao said:

It looks like a strategy with "wisdom" behind it (in the right situation), but it's not always an "optimal strategy"

Optimal strategy always depends on environment.

Good strategy in San Fran is bad strategy in Saudi Arabia.