The sensation of aloneness

[SpYITB]

If consciousness is truly all there is (which after throughly browsing through this forum and the associated YouTube channel, I still do not believe), why should that engender existential horror instead of bliss, or some other arbitrary state of consciousness, perhaps one which we cannot imagine? Why should the knowledge that we are consciousness, and that existence is all there can be, cause a feeling of horror out of an absolutely infinite number of states of consciousness that we can experience?

 

Leo claims that God aka each one of us is a "trickster", but why is the act of tricking necessary? Why does pure consciousness need to employ "tricks" instead of simply being "comfortable", for lack of a better word, with its eternal existence? 

Edited February 3, 2021 by SpYITB

[Inliytened1]

4 hours ago, SpYITB said:

Why does pure consciousness need to employ "tricks" instead of simply being itself for absolute eternity?

Why would you limit Infinity.  It has been.  It's Infinity.  But Infinity also includes every possible finitude.  Right now what you are is one of those.  You can shift to the whole thing as well.

[SpYITB]

No no, that's what Leo said, and I'm asking him why that act is necessary

[Inliytened1]

@SpYITB I'm just saying that something that is everything is its own end - its prior to needing a reason.  All "reasons" are of course partial.  So counterintuitively - Infinite Love!  You see when God uncovers its own trick it realizes it is Infinite.  It falls in love with Itself when it realizes what it truly is again.  Because Infinity and Love are identical.

[PureRogueQ]

I this in a way can answer to it. 

[Valwyndir]

6 hours ago, SpYITB said:

Leo claims that God aka each one of us is a "trickster", but why is the act of tricking necessary? Why does pure consciousness need to employ "tricks" instead of simply being "comfortable", for lack of a better word, with its eternal existence? 

No biological life could exist without this "trick."

Biological life depends on the phenomenon of survival. 

Survival is a mandatory illusion for life.

If organisms weren't tricked into believing they were mortal, they wouldn't behave in the evolutionary manner necessary to create the story of biological life.  

[abrakamowse]

15 minutes ago, Valwyndir said:

No biological life could exist without this "trick."

Exactly . What is true is pure consciousness without content.

 

@SpYITB

To create the idea of “content” it has to create or trick itself in something it is not. Otherwise how will experience multiple experiences/ persons/beings/etc?

 

Thats why all religions value so much truth. “Truth shall make you free” what is not true is what it is needed to have an experience, to experience others. 
 

truth is only one thing.

Edited February 3, 2021 by abrakamowse

[PureRogueQ]

21 minutes ago, abrakamowse said:

 

@SpYITB

To create the idea of “content” it has to create or trick itself in something it is not. Otherwise how will experience multiple experiences/ persons/beings/etc?

 

 

It answers why it looks like it  and in a way it is like it,  but it begs the question why is Self indulging in creating negative experiences in first place, he could create only positive experiences, there is no need for duality in world if he is so all powerful and is not bound by some laws of nature what is supposedly his own creation.

So either he as being perfect can't see imperfection of suffering and is just making everything based on calculations and love is blinding him as he can't see suffering in process, or he is just masochist.

It might be great for story, it will be gone after story ends, but did story never happen? 

 

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, PureRogueQ said:

It answers why it looks like it  and in a way it is like it,  but it begs the question why is Self indulging in creating negative experiences in first place, he could create only positive experiences, there is no need for duality in world if he is so all powerful and is not bound by some laws of nature what is supposedly his own creation.

So either he as being perfect can't see imperfection of suffering and is just making everything based on calculations and love is blinding him as he can't see suffering in process, or he is just masochist.

It might be great for story, it will be gone after story ends, but did story never happen? 

 

God doesn't "need" to do anything.  It is Everything already.  It is the structure and the content.   Right now you are dreaming up this world exploring every possibility - and you will go on dreaming up realms onto eternity as God is an Infinite Mind.  Remember Absolute Infinity is pure Selflessness - the one who sees suffering it the finite part of itself which is actually God suffering along with you.   God is you.  But in reality everything is Love.  We only see it as negative or imperfect from our finite POV.

[PureRogueQ]

5 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

God doesn't "need" to do anything.  It is Everything already.  It is the structure and the content.   Right now you are dreaming up this world exploring every possibility - and you will go on dreaming up realms onto eternity as God is an Infinite Mind.  Remember Absolute Infinity is pure Selflessness - the one who sees suffering it the finite part of itself which is actually God suffering along with you.   God is you.  But in reality everything is Love.  We only see it as negative or imperfect from our finite POV.

So you basically agree with me, Yourself is acting on his own delusion! 

Or did I get something wrong? 

 

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, PureRogueQ said:

So you basically agree with me, Yourself is acting on his own delusion! 

Or did I get something wrong? 

 

God agrees with God.  What is right or wrong?

No one is wrong! Because there is no one here!

 

 

[Adamq8]

Look...there is no other and all other is a fantasy, you are all ALONE.

And this explains why there is "something" rather than nothing. 

You want to share creation with others but when you ACTUALLY become concious of what you are, you will want to share with others only to recognize that you are talking to yourself and there is no one to share anything with.

So in order to forget what you are, you become limited and split yourself up into tiny pieces and hence creation is here.

You can doubt this as long as you want but sooner or later Truth will hit you like a mofo. 

There is only YOU.

1 thing IS now and forever.

And that my friend is YOU.

Leo is imaginary. 

 

 

Edited February 3, 2021 by Adamq8

[Adamq8]

And how you decide to deal with that oneness/aloneness is up to you, but when you first remember your true Nature.. Holy mother of God you will have a mental breakdown..

You have always been.

But it is not bad or good it is just the Truth and the ego will feel bad about it no doubt but the true you just IS.

There is no explanation as to why or how you are here, do you understand? Being has no prior thing to it.

you can imagine an explanation,  like parents and big bangs and universes and so forth.

But it is imagination ?

And that conciousness is everything is not a belief, you are not supposed to believe it.

You are IT.

Awareness is aware always.

Prior to anything else..

Awareness is not a property of anything else, it shines by itself in it self for itself.

Thats why this is so radical.

And recognize also that every enlightened being you can watch and learn from is imaginary as is every scientist as is your parents, but that doesent mean they are wrong, it just means in the ultimate sense they are a fantasy and they are talking fiction. 

But there is nothing but fiction.

Conciousness= Experience. 

Awareness is aware, it does not arise or come into time after billions of years of evolution. 

the universe does not exist either, not a physical objective universe without observers. 

You can certainly believe that an universe existed before you and that it will continue to exist after you are gone..

But look within and see if it is not so that the universe exist within you. 

It is only you who can find out what you are no one else.

 

 

[SpYITB]

My question is, why should I have a mental breakdown, why should realizing ETERNAL ALONENESS feel HORRIFIC instead of BLISSFUL or some other arbitrary state of consciousness?

Edited February 3, 2021 by SpYITB

[Sagar Takker]

Why not get enlightened and see for yourself? Trying to understand intellectually is like trying to taste a lemon by talking about it.

[Nahm]

19 hours ago, SpYITB said:

If consciousness is truly all there is (which after throughly browsing through this forum and the associated YouTube channel, I still do not believe), why should that engender existential horror instead of bliss, or some other arbitrary state of consciousness, perhaps one which we cannot imagine?

Consciousness is the awareness, of that belief. 

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Why should the knowledge that we are consciousness, and that existence is all there can be, cause a feeling of horror out of an absolutely infinite number of states of consciousness that we can experience?

Leo claims that God aka each one of us is a "trickster", but why is the act of tricking necessary?

Why does pure consciousness need to employ "tricks" instead of simply being "comfortable", for lack of a better word, with its eternal existence? 

Consciousness appears as knowledge, but is infinite & thus can not be conceptualized. 

You can make just about anything out of legos...except the legos. No one, no thing, nor no no thing, is tricking you. One tricks oneself, with concepts, of oneself. 

 

[abrakamowse]

There's no grounding on consciousness... the way things are is the only option. Because it has nothing to compare with.

You say why it just to be like this and not the other way?... Ok, there's no "other way" in consciousness, because is the source of everything. It has nothing to compare with or to be better than or different, because is all there is.

Edited February 3, 2021 by abrakamowse

[ivankiss]

God is 'prior' to sensation (of aloneness).

[SpYITB]

Well, one thing I know is reading through this forum, everyone says contradictory things, even the most "enlightened" ones who have taken the most potent psychedelics. 

[abrakamowse]

16 minutes ago, SpYITB said:

Well, one thing I know is reading through this forum, everyone says contradictory things, even the most "enlightened" ones who have taken the most potent psychedelics. 

Because truth can't be explained from duality, we all convert everything in duality as we speak.

Did you read about the Blind men and the elephant parable? This is what happens with thruth, everybody that see it when it tries to explain it to "others" will be using limitations in language, his biases, etc... it can be talked really. Just experienced or "be it".

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant