Let’s stop demonizing Green

[Forestluv]

5 minutes ago, captainamerica said:

This perspective is limited. The circle is not complete without mixing in intuition and intellect. The solid pragmatism of intellect is a feature in such awakenings. Even in the case of samadhi and enlightenment. 

To me, seems like an intellectual mindset trying to control the internal narrative. An aspect of expansion is letting go and surrendering - and at times that includes an intellectual mindset. It is an aspect of what many call the Divine Feminine and men in particular have a difficult time expanding into this realm. This is a key aspect of the actuality of Green. The beingness of Green. 

[captainamerica]

45 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

There is a difference between criticizing green from above and criticizing green from below. A well-integrated yellow speaks Green's language, because they have embodied green. They are multi-lingual in a sense. A well-integrated yellow, understands Green beyond intellectual constructs. A well-integrated Yellow knows the beingness of empathy, heart awakenings, love, intuition, vulnerability, connection. A well-integrated Yellow will be oriented toward pulling Green up. Not simply criticizing Green through intellectual judgement and distaste. 

Imagine a loving parent giving advice to their child. They don't simply criticize the child. That creates toxic conditioning. The parent offers advice in a loving, supportive way that encourages them to grow. Yet such a parent isn't simply intellectual. They can relate to the feelings and experience of their child. They are empathetic, love and connect with their child. 

@Forestluv I find this to be untrue. This is historically incorrect, as well as this is not the way green communicates with orange, blue and red. Look at what is happening on Reddit as a metaphor.  Also, the distaste may simply due to the fact that people are ruining Green in the name of fantastical ideas.

That is why I used the word hysteria. 

Have you never gotten that fake hysterical state generally misunderstood to be compassion? I have experienced compassion so deeply that for a while it gave me OCD along with that hysterical state which happens with excessive compassion. Yes. Did you go that deep in compassion, empathy? In vulnerability I basically stopped showing any willpower or sense of control for months. It can go so deep that months of training after that is needed to regain daily functioning. Have you learnt to cry at will while feeling those emotions? I can now in a sober state. Now, I don't claim this is the only way or create generalizations from this. 

From my understanding in Yellow this is overcome. While maintaining the survival advantage of compassion to the race but without the disadvantage. 

Same for ambition, sense of purpose etc. evolution does not happen by philosophy. In evolution, if anything, the survival advantage is increased. Generally speaking.

I am sorry, but without intellect these awakenings are incomplete. What do you say? @Leo Gura

Edited February 2, 2021 by captainamerica

[Loving Radiance]

33 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

An aspect of expansion is letting go and surrendering - and at times that includes an intellectual mindset. It is an aspect of what many call the Divine Feminine and men in particular have a difficult time expanding into this realm. This is a key aspect of the actuality of Green. The beingness of Green. 

YES. This is exacly what Green retreats and workshops tought me.

It is a continuous coming back to speak from the heart when you always have used your mind.

At times I feel like a baby doing its first steps in this realm. Easy to brake things in this environment if you are heavy on intellect. I am so grateful for the compassionate and patient guidance - I mean, the facilitators rewatch the same pattern of taking first steps over and over in different people.

Edited February 2, 2021 by Loving Radiance

[Raphael]

We should do this for all stages below Yellow. I feel like we often demonize everything below Yellow in these mega threads.

[diamondpenguin]

3 hours ago, Hello from Russia said:

Nah, we should deconstruct silly green ideologies. Green people are very weak epistemologically and get into all sorts of ideological traps because of it. We need to spot more of these and facilitate moving people to yellow

You can't change anyone or control anyone. @Hello from Russia So don't even try. And some of us like being in stage green. 

[Preety_India]

If a lot of people on this forum are stage Green as is being claimed, then why isn't this website renamed as Stage Green.Org? 

 

[Dany Balan]

To me this forum has a problem in heavily demonising stage blue and orange! This forum demonises people like Eliot Hulse that does his best to counter unhealthy aspects of today society with healthy stage blue solutions!

[Hello from Russia]

33 minutes ago, diamondpenguin said:

You can't change anyone or control anyone. @Hello from Russia So don't even try. And some of us like being in stage green. 

Nice resistance and gaslighting.

Truth is, I can change people and I will be changing and influencing people and you won't gaslight me into thinking that I can't. Especially as I am already having a success in it. Go gaslight someone else. 

Edited February 2, 2021 by Hello from Russia

[diamondpenguin]

2 minutes ago, Hello from Russia said:

Nice resistance and gaslighting.

Truth is, I can change people and I will be changing and influencing people and you won't gaslight me into thinking that I can't. Especially as I am already having a success in it. Go gaslight someone else. 

Alright alright. I better leave you alone. As long as you don't play those mind games on me we got a truce. 

[Hansu]

36 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

If a lot of people on this forum are stage Green as is being claimed, then why isn't this website renamed as Stage Green.Org? 

 

Marketing.

[Hello from Russia]

19 minutes ago, diamondpenguin said:

Alright alright. I better leave you alone. As long as you don't play those mind games on me we got a truce. 

Sure. I don't mean to go on crusades or anything like that, by the way. It's just I found people that surround me naturally become more yellow over time

The thing is, change = leadership. If you're not changing anything or anyone - you're not really a leader. Or not a great one, at least. And this is what stage Green people typically miss a lot. They want to have a passive role at everything and not do anything. Yet they expect positive stuff to be showering them despite this inaction. This becomes a problem. People get depressed and all kinds of bad things happen due to that. Being a leader & not being afraid of change and being the core vehicle of it is actually a much more powerful way to live. Way more pleasure can be derived from such a lifestyle, and more true equanimity. And at Yellow, you're at a position to really leave a good impact and to do so consciously. So having more people at yellow and more people as leaders will really be a win win win for everyone.

What I found also, though, is that just taking proper action and facing the reality of situations and systems is what moves people from Green to Yellow. You stop being so idealistic and start to see practicality of things more and more. Which makes you study how everything truly works because without that it is very hard to create good results. So in a sense just stopping smoking marijuana and actually starting to self-actualize can go a really huge way here 

[Vrubel]

2 hours ago, Forestluv said:

There is a difference between criticizing green from above and criticizing green from below. A well-integrated yellow speaks Green's language, because they have embodied green. They are multi-lingual in a sense. A well-integrated yellow, understands Green beyond intellectual constructs. A well-integrated Yellow knows the beingness of empathy, heart awakenings, love, intuition, vulnerability, connection. A well-integrated Yellow will be oriented toward pulling Green up. Not simply criticizing Green through intellectual judgement and distaste. 

Imagine a loving parent giving advice to their child. They don't simply criticize the child. That creates toxic conditioning. The parent offers advice in a loving, supportive way that encourages them to grow. Yet such a parent isn't simply intellectual. They can relate to the feelings and experience of their child. They are empathetic, love and connect with their child. 

In reality, a person can only change and move up the spiral if he himself is willing and "ready". It doesn't matter if you are coming from a stage yellow perspective with a loving emphatic connection. Tier 1 stages will demonize you for rocking their worldview. They will subtly demonize you in their head because that's how the ego-mind maintains its "righteousness" and homeostasis. 

But I definitely agree that love is the best approach for helping other people grow. But also realize that love is not always expressed in a sweet feminine way. Masculine love can be perceived as ruthless but nonetheless, it's love, which in certain situations is better for "growing" a person. But I will repeat that you only can help someone move up the spiral if he himself is willing. Not just willing in a lip-service kind of way but willing to have the heart to go through the rocky and uncertain up-and-down process that ultimately leads to change. 

[Jennjenn]

5 hours ago, mmKay said:

This post should be posted on the Green Mega thread since whining about lack of tolerance and equality and empathy is a staple of green

Hahaha touché 

the whole thread should be moved to the green mega thread. 
 

Don’t get me wrong I love green and I embrace it. Like I find the term sjw a compliment. Calling someone a sjw is telling them that they are martyrs wannabes who cry over injustices, what’s wrong with that when there are actual sociopaths around. Anyone should count themselves lucky if they’re not part of Dark Triad that is so abundant nowadays. 

Edited February 2, 2021 by Jennjenn

[StarStruck]

Toxic green is a problem. I don't get why they should get a special treatment. I don't think green is being singled out.

Edited February 2, 2021 by StarStruck

[Preety_India]

3 hours ago, Raphael said:

We should do this for all stages below Yellow. I feel like we often demonize everything below Yellow in these mega threads.

That's a good point. I agree. 

[Jennjenn]

3 hours ago, Raphael said:

We should do this for all stages below Yellow. I feel like we often demonize everything below Yellow in these mega threads.

 

2 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

That's a good point. I agree. 

I agree as well. All stages below yellow have healthy characteristics which we all should integrate. We should create a thread with only healthy and positives values from each stage bellow yellow so we all can work on them or just be aware of them. 
Fox example, I admire blue’s discipline and work ethic. Also,  orange’s ambition and how they love to have fun and to enjoy material abundance. 

[Preety_India]

@Jennjenn me too(metoo lol)... 

Yea I've some orange in me which I love and it balances the green in me. I also love blue. Even Red is so important when you are confronted with pure survival situations 

There are so many healthy aspects to these stages that we tend to overlook and go into demonizing them. 

 

[aurum]

Green has its toxicity. But many people criticizing it are not doing so from a place of having not really integrated it. 

I mostly see is stage orange thinking pushing back against green and then claiming it’s because they are yellow.

Green also gets a lot of attention because it’s where we are transitioning to. No one talks about purple because for the most part we don’t see purple.

[soos_mite_ah]

16 minutes ago, aurum said:

Green has its toxicity. But many people criticizing it are not doing so from a place of having not really integrated it. 

I mostly see is stage orange thinking pushing back against green and then claiming it’s because they are yellow.

Yeah I notice that as well. This forum has a good bit of orange in it, both in toxic and healthy forms IMO. 

[Lyubov]

I'll take toxic green any day over a toxic orange or blue. Having a bunch of people complain and cancel a comedian for using a slightly offensive term vs having the stock market ravaged devaluing the life of millions or having a minority group targeted and disenfranchised.