The Dogma of Consciousness

[Gesundheit]

It, sure, is a dogma for many people.

[hyruga]

Yeah too conscious now. Sometimes, I am unable to kill an ant.

[Aaron p]

The dogma of consciousness is dogma, actual consciousness is not dogma/belief

[Kuba Powiertowski]

Hello my Friend:)

Try this:

"Not very conscious"
"He's lacking consciousness"
"Is this a conscious thing to do?"
"High consciousness"
"Low consciousness"

Not very true
He's lacking love
Is this a good thing to do?
Higher perspective
Low instincts

 

Still a dogma?:)

 

[Conscious life]

On 2/2/2021 at 3:30 AM, Tim R said:

"Not very conscious"

"He's lacking consciousness"

"Is this a conscious thing to do?"

"High consciousness"

"Low consciousness"

 

Sounds familiar?

 

More consciousness, more, more, more! It's so funny. "Consciousness" has become the holy word, the teaching, the dogma. The ultimate goal. The standard by which all can be judged. 

Always seeking for more. "Deeper insights", "more insights", "more consciousness", "higher levels of consciousness" than everybody else.

 

Such a silly game.

Keep playing it, it will lead precisely nowhere

it contain some truth. consciousness shouldn't always be an aim. mechanics also required. People will think by becoming more conscious they will be loving, pure, all knowing. no consciousness needs mechanics. consciousness and mechanics needs to be integrated. 

[Jacob Morres]

why do you feel consciousness is dogma? where is the trap that you perceive? 

[Leo Gura]

Anything becomes a dogma if you are dogmatic about it.

The problem is not the thing itself but how your mind holds it. And a dogmatic mind will hold all things dogmatically, be it science or religion or spirituality or even nonduality or love. And even -- drum roll.... -- being nondogmatic.

In a delicious irony, the dogmatic mind will turn being nondogmatic into a dogma!

Dogma gonna dog

[blackchair]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Anything becomes a dogma if you are dogmatic about it.

The problem is not the thing itself but how your mind holds it. And a dogmatic mind will hold all things dogmatically, be it science or religion or spirituality or even nonduality or love. And even -- drum roll.... -- being nondogmatic.

In a delicious irony, the dogmatic mind will turn being nondogmatic into a dogma!

Dogma gonna dog

so the "best" course is to have empty mind? 

[Nemra]

@blackchair Yes, but without being dogmatic about it.

Edited February 5, 2021 by Understander

[blackchair]

2 minutes ago, Understander said:

@blackchair Yes, but without being dogmatic about it.

i cant be dogmatic about it because im surounded with people.

[blackchair]

i did good on this thread, time to "party" a little bit

[Haumea2018]

On 2/1/2021 at 9:13 PM, Megan Alecia said:

what's wrong with s dynamics? 

On this forum it boils down to snobbery.  Green > Orange/Blue.

Good old fashioned class snobbery with a "spiritual" twist, but really it's NOTHING NEW.

"we're better than THOSE people."

Yeah, veeeeeery spiritual. 

[Nemra]

@blackchair Be careful. Being surrounded by people does not automatically make you nondogmatic.

Edited February 5, 2021 by Understander

[blackchair]

3 minutes ago, Understander said:

@blackchair Be careful. Being surrounded by people does not automatically make you nondogmatic.

nope, moving on. but thank you.

[GreenWoods]

On 2/2/2021 at 1:30 AM, Tim R said:

More consciousness, more, more, more! It's so funny. "Consciousness" has become the holy word, the teaching, the dogma. The ultimate goal. The standard by which all can be judged. 

Always seeking for more. "Deeper insights", "more insights", "more consciousness", "higher levels of consciousness" 

I fully identify with that

On 2/2/2021 at 1:30 AM, Tim R said:

Such a silly game.

You know of a more fun alternative?

[Leo Gura]

3 hours ago, blackchair said:

so the "best" course is to have empty mind? 

Plenty of people develop no-mind but are still dogmatic.

The problem is that an empty mind does not guarantee that when your mind starts turning it doesn't turn out shit.

Emptying your goldfish's bowl does not guarantee him what he really needs, which is clean water.

The opposite of dirty water is not no water, it is clean water.

[Air]

Trying to end dogma is also a dogma.

[Air]

Sea water is not cleaner than lake water. What is clean water but a DOGMA?

[Leo Gura]

@Air Keep it up and you'll be kicked from here.

Be here to learn. Not to spread your ignorance.

[blackchair]

35 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Plenty of people develop no-mind but are still dogmatic.

The problem is that any empty mind does not guarantee that when your mind starts turning it doesn't turn out shit.

Emptying your goldfish's bowl does not guarantee him what he really needs, which is clean water.

The opposite of dirty water is not no water, it is clean water.

ok, got it. #hard.

Edited February 5, 2021 by blackchair