The Word "Devil"

[Tim R]

Leo often uses the word devil when he describes people being deluded, biased or egotistic and many people on the forum copy him. 

I think the use of the word "devil" comes with some problems, the main three being:

1. Its underlying judgement
2. Using the word too often and too casually because it is like a meme 
3. Its connotation with the christian myth of "the devil" which we all inherit 

So the problems I see are more concerned with the way the use of this word effects us - since we don't call people "devil" to their face, nobody is being insulted or anything, so that's no problem.

So yeah, the main problems are that the word promotes

• our own self-bias
• judgement
• unconscious application

That being said, I suggest we either become more careful when using the word or cut it out altogether.  

What do you guys think? Are my concerns justified? 

[Leo Gura]

You are right in that devil is a relative notion. It does not exist in an absolute sense. So you have to be very conscious to understand its limits and use it relatively.

The problem is you guys take the word too seriously, as if it has some ontological or moral substance. Rather, say it tongue-in-cheek, like I do.

It's a fun word. Sorta like calling someone a douche. You don't take it too literally.

[Rilles]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You are right in that devil is a relative notion. It does not exist in an absolute sense. So you have to be very conscious to understand its limits and use it relatively.

The problem is you guys take the word too seriously, as if it has some ontological or moral substance. Rather, say it tongue-in-cheek, like I do.

It's a fun word. Sorta like calling someone a douche. You don't take it too literally.

But Leo!!!! I thought you meant little red tail and pitchfork!!!

[blackchair]

omg, you are everything  i've learned new word, little rascals, has great ring to it

[Conscious life]

we are literally devil. one thing I understood is as you go up to Sprial your understanding of reality changes. @Leo Gurais perfectly right, when he use this word. we are devil's, literally.

 

 

[blackchair]

27 minutes ago, Conscious life said:

we are literally devil. one thing I understood is as you go up to Sprial your understanding of reality changes. @Leo Gurais perfectly right, when he use this word. we are devil's, literally.

 

 

no

27 minutes ago, Conscious life said:

we are literally devil. one thing I understood is as you go up to Sprial your understanding of reality changes. @Leo Gurais perfectly right, when he use this word. we are devil's, literally.

 

 

no.

[Conscious life]

8 minutes ago, blackchair said:

no

no.

Yes. it is. don't tie a man by his word. levels of word people use to express devil and God. 

people use this labels to refer God and devil. 

Spritual people use this word 

God and devil 

conscious and unconscious

 

materialistic people use this word 

good and evil 

sick and healthy 

 

children use word

ugly and beautiful

like and dislike 

be aware of this labels used by different people at different stages  what we refers as  God and devil at higher consciousness. 

 

[Thought Art]

"People like yooooou, think the devil lives on a hollywood movie studio set, thats made to look like a world war 2 fighter jet

who just lounges around all day, getting baked, and calling his friends and hanging up on em"

 

Edited January 31, 2021 by Thought Art

[mandyjw]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

You are right in that devil is a relative notion. It does not exist in an absolute sense. So you have to be very conscious to understand its limits and use it relatively.

The problem is you guys take the word too seriously, as if it has some ontological or moral substance. Rather, say it tongue-in-cheek, like I do.

It's a fun word. Sorta like calling someone a douche. You don't take it too literally.

They are fun words for you because you grew up in a certain environment. If you grew up with God and the Devil as your main framework of life and reality they might have much heavier connotations. My mom actually suspected that Arnold Schwarzenegger was the anti-Christ when he ran for office. I laugh now, but it's no joke to grow up that way. 

[blackchair]

26 minutes ago, Conscious life said:

Yes. it is. don't tie a man by his word. levels of word people use to express devil and God. 

people use this labels to refer God and devil. 

Spritual people use this word 

God and devil 

conscious and unconscious

 

materialistic people use this word 

good and evil 

sick and healthy 

 

children use word

ugly and beautiful

like and dislike 

be aware of this labels used by different people at different stages  what we refers as  God and devil at higher consciousness. 

 

now, this makes more sense. thank you. #humble. #learning

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

They are fun words for you because you grew up in a certain environment. If you grew up with God and the Devil as your main framework of life and reality they might have much heavier connotations.

Life is fun when you aren't deluded.

[blackchair]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Life is fun when you aren't deluded.

getting there, getting there.

[Aaron p]

It's more like they are filled with the spirit of selfishness 

[mandyjw]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Life is fun when you aren't deluded.

?

[Aaron p]

Advanced selflessness actually requires wisdom to spot...it can seem arrogant 

Advanced selflessness isint thinking less of yourself,

it's thinking of yourself less

Edited January 31, 2021 by Aaron p

[Preety_India]

I say this. 

 

Sometimes when you are with the devil, you learn some tricks of the trade. 

 

[Gesundheit]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

devil is a relative notion.

Relative to what?

[StarStruck]

Nothing wrong with the devil. 

[Preety_India]

The devil exists just like anything exists.. 

I don't know how not talking about a devil will actually make devils disappear..