Could the republicans be a dying party?

[Jake Johnson]

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/jacob-monty-quits-gop-donald-trump-092604945.html

Edited January 30, 2021 by Jake Johnson

[Hardkill]

Well, I certainly hope it dies. It would be a fantastic thing for the USA.

Edited January 31, 2021 by Hardkill

[Preety_India]

They are definitely not doing well. Lots of issues among themselves. 

 

[DocWatts]

In the short term it remains to be seen, but in the long run demographic changes will make them non viable as a national party unless they make significant inroads with non-rich, non-white Voters by moderating thier policy platform. Of course they could just continue down the road of trying to maintain power by eroding Democracy, but their prospects of success with that strategy are dubious.

I could see two realistic paths for the GOP:

(1) They moderate thier economic platform to be inclusive of working and middle class interests (rather than just the rich), while maintaining thier ties to cultural conservatives

(2) They reign in thier Conservative cultural beliefs and become more inclusive of non whites and LGBT communities, while continuing to push for economic policies favoring the wealthy

Edited January 31, 2021 by DocWatts

[Jake Johnson]

Long time republican strategest Steve Schmidt says that he left that party two years ago to become an independant and has since become a democrat.

He also said that he not only expects the republican party's demise but says it is deserved.

[Leo Gura]

Death is just life as another form.

[Lyubov]

Conservatism isn't going anywhere. I think the current party is unsustainable for more than 10-20 years though. They will try to hold onto power through their minority rule tactics but they just don't have the numbers in the long run. I think they are going to be pulled left and have to adopt a number of Dem positions to stay relevant. 

[Leo Gura]

The key feature of devils is that they always adapt. Devilry is survival and adaptability, first and foremost. So if you think the devil will just peacefully rot to death in rigidity, you don't understand devilry. The devil will twist itself like a slippery eel.

The real question is, what will the Republican party twist itself into? Because it certainly will not admit its own wrongness.

[Jake Johnson]

Just supposing the republican party does cease. Surely something will come in it's place just as the republicans came upon the demise of the WHIG party. 

What do you suppose will usurp a vacancy left? The Libertarians? Or maybe the Alliance party? Or some yet to come party?

Edited February 2, 2021 by Jake Johnson

[Jake Johnson]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-gop-congresswoman-says-party-202908037.html

[Hardkill]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

The key feature of devils is that they always adapt. Devilry is survival and adaptability, first and foremost. So if you think the devil will just peacefully rot to death in rigidity, you don't understand devilry. The devil will twist itself like a slippery eel.

The real question is, what will the Republican party twist itself into? Because it certainly will not admit its own wrongness.

That's why stopping monsters, demons and the Devil can only be done by force. 

Also, this is why our government absolutely needs to be modified in some way. For example, we should have members of US Congress create a commission to screen out those candidates who would be unfit to serve the office of the President before any candidate is even allowed to run for President. I believe this is what Nancy Pelosi tried proposing to Congress. Another alternative is to have the US Congress appoint and confirm a seemingly competent and highly experienced politician to be the next President just like how the Parliament in the UK anoints a qualified politician to be their country's Prime Minister.

In fact, I don't see why they can't also properly screen out all congressional candidates for all congressional elections before the US citizens vote? Even judges, down from the local level all the way up to the US Supreme Court, never get elected into office same way politicians do. It the same way that other kinds of professionals such as Medical, healthcare experts and professionals, Attorneys, Architects, Engineers, schoolteachers, college and university professors, school Principals, Vice-Principals, Deans, University Chancellors, members of any of kind of law enforcement, high ranked firefighters, mid to high ranked military soldiers, high-powered executives of huge corporations, etc. don't get picked by being elected by people including laymen.  

Otherwise, something within the way we elect American politicians must be significantly changed for the sake of progress and for the greater good of the USA.

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

That's why stopping monsters, demons and the Devil can only be done by force.

We'll there are many degrees of force, you could say. Most force these days is not physical.

Sometimes a simple law is enough to stop a devil. Not all devils, but many.

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For example, we should have members of US Congress create a commission to screen out those candidates who would be unfit to serve the office of the President before any candidate is even allowed to run for President.

This is very problematic since the definitions of "unfit" will be subjective, biased, partisan, and corrupted.

Majority of Republicans would have admitted Trump as "fit" back in 2016. They would still probably call him "fit" even today! So that wouldn't solve the problem.

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Another alternative is to have the US Congress appoint and confirm a seemingly competent and highly experienced politician to be the next President just like how the Parliament in the UK anoints a qualified politician to be their country's Prime Minister.

Sounds like a terrible idea since Congress is the problem.

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In fact, I don't see why they can't also properly screen out all congressional candidates for all congressional elections before the US citizens vote? Even judges, down from the local level all the way up to the US Supreme Court, never get elected into office same way politicians do. It the same way that other kinds of professionals such as Medical, healthcare experts and professionals, Attorneys, Architects, Engineers, schoolteachers, college and university professors, school Principals, Vice-Principals, Deans, University Chancellors, members of any of kind of law enforcement, high ranked firefighters, mid to high ranked military soldiers, high-powered executives of huge corporations, etc. don't get picked by being elected by people including laymen. 

You can find plenty of terrible politicians who will pass that screen. For example, Ted Cruz or Josh Hawley.

Many dumb right-wingers are well-educated lawyers. Like Rudy Guiliani. Education does not get rid of self-bias or ideology.

Really what you'd want for incoming politicians is a consciousness/wisdom/empathy test. If they can't score at least 90%, their name won't go on the ballot. A politician should have to prove their consciousness/wisdom/empathy to the people before they can run. But this cannot work unless the people themselves have consciousness/wisdom/empathy. So here we are

[Hardkill]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

We'll there are many degrees of force, you could say. Most force these days is not physical.

Sometimes a simple law is enough to stop a devil. Not all devils, but many.

Yeah that's true.

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

This is very problematic since the definitions of "unfit" will be subjective, biased, partisan, and corrupted.

Majority of Republicans would have admitted Trump as "fit" back in 2016. They would still probably call him "fit" even today! So that wouldn't solve the problem.

Actually, from what I recall, back in 2016 before Trump got elected President, most of the establishment Republicans thought that Trump would too dangerous to be President. In fact a lot of the Republican politicians back then either called for Trump drop out of the race or no longer supported or voted for Trump or just condemned him. Skim through these sources right below in case you never read these ones or never knew about this before:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-widely-condemned-republican-leaders-legislators-n662446

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Republicans_who_opposed_the_Donald_Trump_2016_presidential_campaign

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/where-republicans-stand-on-donald-trump-a-cheat-sheet/481449/

Hell, I remember when Ted Cruz shocked everyone at the Republican National Convention when he didn't even formally acknowledge and endorse Trump as the Republican nominee for President at all during his speech. Cruz chose not to do so after Trump greatly insulted Cruz himself and his wife. The only reason Cruz has been sucking up to Trump all this time is because ever since Trump first became President he has always been too scared to disagree or offend Trump in anyway for fear of getting primaried in the future and then having his career as a politician be over forever. Actually, the reason why hardly any of the republican leaders didn't stand up to Trump in 2016 was really because they were all afraid of being voted out of their offices.

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Sounds like a terrible idea since Congress is the problem.

You can find plenty of terrible politicians who will pass that screen. For example, Ted Cruz or Josh Hawley.

Many dumb right-wingers are well-educated lawyers. Like Rudy Guiliani. Education does not get rid of self-bias or ideology.

Really what you'd want for incoming politicians is a consciousness/wisdom/empathy test. If they can't score at least 90%, their name won't go on the ballot. A politician should have to prove their consciousness/wisdom/empathy to the people before they can run. But this cannot work unless the people themselves have consciousness/wisdom/empathy. So here we are

Well, I admit that it certainly wouldn't exactly be the best way for any country to choose someone to be the leader of their nation. However, I believe that it would still be better than having the laymen, including millions of ignorant and stupid people within our country, to be allowed to vote for someone to have such immense political power. You even said it yourself in one of your posts in your Make Your 2020 General Election Predictions Here! thread ".....populism is doomed to fail. You can't build a great country using its dumbest people. The Founding Fathers understood this but modern populist pundits do not." I think that if Congress had the right and the responsibility to decide which experienced politician should run for President, then they wouldn't have allowed someone as insane and unstable as Trump was to be nominated for President.

[Jake Johnson]

 

On 1/31/2021 at 7:09 PM, Lyubov said:

Conservatism isn't going anywhere. I think the current party is unsustainable for more than 10-20 years though. They will try to hold onto power through their minority rule tactics but they just don't have the numbers in the long run. I think they are going to be pulled left and have to adopt a number of Dem positions to stay relevant. 

The question isn't if conservatism will die, but if the republican party will die.

Edited February 4, 2021 by Jake Johnson

[DocWatts]

5 minutes ago, Jake Johnson said:

The question isn't if conservatism will die, but if the republican party will die.

For the Republican Party to not die it will either have to moderate its policy platform to appeal to enough people to win elections, or it will have to overthrow Democracy. There's no third option here.

[Stomatopod]

28 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

For the Republican Party to not die it will either have to moderate its policy platform to appeal to enough people to win elections, or it will have to overthrow Democracy. There's no third option here.

It's true. The GOP will never be able to win an election on policy. But that's been the case for at least half a century. None of their policies benefit the general population, and they know it. They can only win on branding and getting voters to associate egosyntonic feelings with the party, and conversely projecting everything that is scary and evil on the democrats.

But this strategy requires an uninformed electorate. That's why billions of dollars are poured into undermining trust in media, science, academia, and politics. They need to keep people ignorant and confused about what the actual policies are, and how they affect their lives. And that has only been successful in the last 25 years because of the avalanche of misinformation coming from right wing "alternative" media. Without this propaganda offensive the Republican brand would probably already have crumbled in the 90's. Their entire policy platform is unpalatable to anyone except for the ultra rich. Bush was only kept afloat because of 9/11, and Trump was only elected because he misrepresented himself as some sort of a racist version of Bernie Sanders.

 

[Ramu]

@Leo Gura the Republican Party is ethically and intellectually bankrupt.