Your Most Radical Viewpoints?

[Applegarden]

My radical viewpoint is that in terms of human consciousness we are just not even walking but barely crawling, and in mass - not really interested in walking. I think there is something called spiritual infrostructure. Wether that is a conscetrated linga, gurukul education, free basic needs for everyone, mystical school, pujas for deities, darshan of a yogi, mega structures like temples, psychic powers, health culture, mass enlightened beings, some advances process, enviroment or method making you enlightened e.c.t That is what will be created mass if people started to work together. That is possible and it is being done from time to time on this earth, but with a too small of a reach.

[Rilles]

3 hours ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

Not saying we shouldn’t have more leisure time etc, but If Covid lockdowns have shown me anything, it’s that having all the time in the world & no meaningful way to spend it for many (furlough has allowed this) isn’t ideal for most humans. 
 

Sure, some might want a life of leisure, but to me leisure is only enjoyable after working

Thats why I said; if people want to work they should definitely do that!

But it shouldnt be at gunpoint. A little boredom and restlessness is better than to starving to death imo. People will find a way. Imagine all the stress that would vanish from your body if you knew that you would never have to worry about food and shelter for the rest of your life ever again, now imagine extending that to the rest of humanity.

A simple once a day meal and a small one-bedroom apartment for everyone would be a dream society! Were wasting tons of food anyway.

Now, of course, I dont think this will happen for another 500 years, we are way too selfish, maybe when 50% of humanity is at Turquoise.

Edited January 28, 2021 by Rilles

[Blackhawk]

That there wouldn't be any problems without consciousness.

[trenton]

I think the United States needs a third viable political party.  I have some ideas as to how this could happen.

First 38% of American voters identify as independent.  This could occur when people are dissatisfied with both democrats and republicans.  During the presidential elections American voters often feel like they are trying to choose the lesser of two evils.  If they get sick of this pattern, it could give rise to the third party.

I remember trump ran on anti corruption in 2016 seeking term limits, but did not deliver.  Seeing how anti corruption is a bipartisan issue, it could unify the third party under a common cause, similar to the Republican party being created to abolish slavery.  The goal of this party would be an anti corruption amendment to the constitution.

In order to help a party like this again power, a coalition between many independent parties would be useful.  In other counties this is how a party with the most votes could lose because of coalition of other parties that add up to more.  One example of a coalition being attempted is in Spain.

 

One it's own, one independent party does not have a chance of gaining significant influence.  The only way to do that would be through a massive coalition untied to create an anti-corruption amendment.

[asABOVEsoBelow]

_Not everyone should have the right to have kids . 

_ Nobody should be able to become a billionaire , all income generated after a certain amount of wealth should be automatically shared .  

 

Edited January 28, 2021 by asABOVEsoBelow

[asABOVEsoBelow]

8 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

• ntroduction of direct democracy, citizens can introduce legislation
• Only working class people may serve in Government
• Inheritance is no longer legitimate form of wealth

 

_Direct democracy in blue country will just give you theocracies . Direct democracy in developed country would bring back death penalty ... ect look into the surveys 

_ I dont think your average working class guy knows a lot bout geo-politics ect ... 

_ You inherit your family's genes , just tax inheritance and it is legitimate . 

Edited January 28, 2021 by asABOVEsoBelow

[LfcCharlie4]

3 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Awesome thread! @LfcCharlie4 Thanks for creating it, now I want to chime in.

Alright boyz, here's my radical policy proposals list:

• Abolish all private ownership of capital and property
• Nationalization of all major utilities (banking, energy, etc...)
• Abolishment of all individual Nations and National borders, and the creation of a single world Government
• Citizens can introduce legislation
• Inheritance is no longer legitimate form of wealth
• Term limits and only working class people can serve in Government
• Four hour work day
• Schools must teach meditation
• Schools must teach self help
• School must teach real history that focuses on Nation's flaws
• Schools must teach life purpose 
• Research into psychedelics for medical treatment purposes
• Research into psychedelics for learning about Physics and other sciences
• Abolishment of institution of marriage

This is just my personal solutions, if you disagree (which many of you will) than that's fine.

That’s what this thread is for, radical views! 
 

I must admit I disagree pretty strongly with all the top 7, but I agree with 6/7 of the bottom ones haha. 
 

When you say private ownership of capital, do you literally mean nobody has any sort of private funds / assets? & are you proposing full socialism / communism as the top point sounds like 2 of Marx’s main proposals, unless I’m mistaken and I want to be educated if I am! 
 

But, either way that’s something I don’t think I’ll ever come round on, maybe that is just my bias as a small business owner, wannabe investor & ideally future real estate owner!  

@Leo Gura @Nahm @Haumea2018  would love to hear your guys proposals as slightly older members of the forum  

[SOUL]

@LfcCharlie4  You are so close to having a clear perspective on the genuine nature of some things but it appears that you hold onto seemingly 'pragmatic' concepts and rhetoric that veil you to reality. I'm not going to try to clarify things for anyone because often experience is the most effective teacher and one person cannot give another those lessons.

So my radical view is I'm not here to tell anyone what to think, feel or believe.

Edited January 28, 2021 by SOUL

[LfcCharlie4]

@SOUL please expand if you can  

I guess my pragmatic views are based on real life experience but I am only 21 so ??‍♂️

Edited January 28, 2021 by LfcCharlie4

[WonderSeeker]

@LfcCharlie4

Not a viewpoint but more of an idea. We should repurpose large plots of land, such as cemeteries and abandoned golf courses in order to use the freed-up space for more practical, "22nd century" aims.

Of course, this will be resisted by conventional egos (removal of cemeteries by conformists/diplomats and golf courses by experts, achievers, and Donald Trump). So perhaps in areas where the majority of people have transcended lower thinking/being, we can clear the way and put in green energy technology, fitness/recreational parks, let second-growth forests bloom, or something else.

[SOUL]

1 minute ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

@SOUL please expand if you can  

Well, I don't want to reverse on my previous statement too much but will add that both individual action and collective action are required to change systematic issues, not just one or the other. We need both responsible individual behavior and regulatory governance with policy to effectively transform the conditioning and habituation of society and the people that comprise it.

Just because one can accumulate wealth doesn't mean it also accumulates the behavior that benefits society. In fact, a strong argument can be made that the behavior that drives the accumulation of wealth doesn't translate to behavior that benefits society, just the individual and often at the expense of others. So we shouldn't just conflate personal benefit with societal benefit even if they do share some common benefits.

I think that's enough breaching my own declaration for now. Hah

[LfcCharlie4]

@SOUL I completely agree we need both, and I am of course promoting conscious wealth creation, I thought that was obvious, I’m not promoting to go and open a McDonalds to become a millionaire ?

I more meant, don’t use collective, societal long term growth as a way to bypass on life if you get me and be a reason to generate negative beliefs in certain areas? That’s all! 
 

And, of course on a more relative level, taking care of our survival needs, frees up time & energy to focus on quote on quote “higher” pursuits. 
 

And, yes sadly, lots of the wealthiest people aren’t necessarily the most conscious, I just don’t see it as an absolute either way. To me, Money = energy (yes I know it sounds very Napoleon Hill, Secret, etc) and therefore, is neutral and up to us how we create & utilise it. 
 

But, I was intrigued by your points, as I admit I do hold some views that would be regarded as Pragmatic for sure, but of course all my opinions are dynamic and if I was alive in the year 2500 & the average person was much more conscious some of the more “idealist” philosophies & ideas would be what I’d suggest. 
 

I just don’t see a lot of them as viable right now, if you get me? 

[DocWatts]

Okay then, here's my hot take. Probably not a radical viewpoint here, but certain people will take it that way:

People on the Far Left need to chill the fuck out and stop demonizing Liberals and Centrists, and learn to play nice with other worldviews and perspectives in order to get anything accomplished. Seriously, the amount of moralizing from elements of the online Left feels like a mirror image of the same high horse that Libertarians ride into conversations on, and only  serves to make Progressive ideas seem unreasonable to everyone else.

[aurum]

@LfcCharlie4

Good thread idea. Let's get our craziest ideas out there.

My list:

• The vast majority of people would happier living communally
• Individual accumulation of wealth is counterproductive and an impossible strategy for achieving abundance
• Money should decay in value over time instead of holding value
• We should pay people to do nothing, i.e UBI
• Life was not just a brutal struggle to survive prior to modern society
• Slow, manual labor and creation is good for the soul
• All things are alive and with consciousness that you can communicate with
• Angels, spirit guides and aliens are "real"
• Earthing, aka grounding, is real
• Instantaneous physical healing is possible for all disease
• Eventually we will not need money
• Eventually we will not need military
• Eventually we will not need law enforcement

 

Show me how I'm wrong, I'm open to it.

[SOUL]

12 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

Okay then, here's my hot take. Probably not a radical viewpoint here, but certain people will take it that way:

People on the Far Left need to chill the fuck out and stop demonizing Liberals and Centrists, and learn to play nice with other worldviews and perspectives in order to get anything accomplished. Seriously, the amount of moralizing from elements of the online Left feels like a mirror image of the same high horse that Libertarians ride into conversations on, and only  serves to make Progressive ideas seem unreasonable to everyone else.

So after the years, decades and even centuries of the 'left' being demonized by red scare McCarthyism, black listing, witch hunts, flogging, societal exiling by right wing and centrist castigation it's the left that are the meanies now?

Hm....interesting.

Is that like blaming the victim for beating them up and after they finally stand up for themselves they are framed as the abuser because they do? So it's them that need to 'chill out' for this according to your reasoning?

Very very interesting.....

[Loving Radiance]

8 minutes ago, SOUL said:

So after the years, decades and even centuries of the 'left' being demonized by red scare McCarthyism, black listing, witch hunts, flogging, societal exiling by right wing and centrist castigation it's the left that are the meanies now?

Hitting someone back because they hit you first doesn't make it right.

[SOUL]

1 hour ago, LfcCharlie4 said:

@SOUL I completely agree we need both, and I am of course promoting conscious wealth creation, I thought that was obvious, I’m not promoting to go and open a McDonalds to become a millionaire ?

I more meant, don’t use collective, societal long term growth as a way to bypass on life if you get me and be a reason to generate negative beliefs in certain areas? That’s all! 
 

And, of course on a more relative level, taking care of our survival needs, frees up time & energy to focus on quote on quote “higher” pursuits. 
 

And, yes sadly, lots of the wealthiest people aren’t necessarily the most conscious, I just don’t see it as an absolute either way. To me, Money = energy (yes I know it sounds very Napoleon Hill, Secret, etc) and therefore, is neutral and up to us how we create & utilise it. 
 

But, I was intrigued by your points, as I admit I do hold some views that would be regarded as Pragmatic for sure, but of course all my opinions are dynamic and if I was alive in the year 2500 & the average person was much more conscious some of the more “idealist” philosophies & ideas would be what I’d suggest. 
 

I just don’t see a lot of them as viable right now, if you get me? 

You are touching on the whole contention between capitalism and marxism. You say that money = energy but it's also energy = labor, so labor = money even though some want to suggest and believe that money = money and energy = labor is an asset to exploit to make the money.

The criticism that resonates in what is happening in the world is that people use the power of their capital to exploit the labor of others extracting the value from it and leaving very little for those who expended the energy to benefit from. The system as currently constructed rewards this exploitation and offers very little protection for those who labor.

Those that advocate for policies and practices that benefit the workers are often called socialist/marxist by those who want to demonize them, those ideas and that word. Seeking a more equally shared benefit in the excess of profit doesn't seem like a radical proposition but according to those who call themselves capitalist those that do are the evil incarnate.

People don't really understand what capitalism, socialism and the other types of 'isms' actually mean beyond what they are propagandized to think about them and told to 'love' or 'hate' by their 'tribe'. Ceasing to be attached to labels can help bring clarity once one looks at the actual actions and effects that result from behavior and dynamics at hand.

Edited January 28, 2021 by SOUL

[SOUL]

17 minutes ago, Loving Radiance said:

Hitting someone back because they hit you first doesn't make it right.

So if someone starts punching you in the face you just let them without defending yourself? Jesus approves but Christians don't.

But you are conflating the actual brutality perpetrated on marginal communities and someone verbally not accepting that as the status quo anymore which is disingenuous at best and vile at worst.

Edited January 28, 2021 by SOUL

[Preety_India]

Parenting should come with a license. 

People need to meet specific criteria to have kids. 

 

[DocWatts]

1 minute ago, SOUL said:

So after the years, decades and even centuries of the 'left' being demonized by red scare McCarthyism, black listing, witch hunts, flogging, societal exiling by right wing and centrist castigation it's the left that are the meanies now?

Hm....interesting.

Is that like blaming the victim for beating them up and after they finally stand up for themselves they are framed as the abuser because they do? So it's them that need to 'chill out' for this according to your reasoning?

Very very interesting.....

Literally every political identity in existence has the capacity to adopt a victim mentality, whether justified or not. Yeah Leftist movements have been treated like shit at many points through history, but that doesn't give us the right to act like bullies and jerks ourselves (this is coming from someone highly sympathetic to democratic socialism, for what its worth).

The context of my post was specifically in regards to the moralizing I sometimes see that drives a wedge between The Far Left and potential Liberal or Centrist Allies. 

It's completely counter productive, and only serves to make people draw false equivalencies between The Far Left and the Far Right.

If we want to convince people that our ideas are worth taking seriously, it's on us to show that we're the ones being reasonable, and part of that includes means being able to engage with other people acting in Good Faith that we just happen to disagree with on some things. That doesn't mean engaging with Bad Faith actors on the Right, but it does mean not alienating people you could potentially work with to make progress on a variety of issues.