What Rumi said about one plus one

[StarStruck]

"You think because you understand 'one' you must also understand 'two', because one and one make two. But you must also understand 'and'.

-Rumi

What did he mean?

[TheSelf]

One and one only, 

He alone is. 

 

Edited January 26, 2021 by m0hsen

[Moksha]

For me, it points to the paradox of ultimate and relative reality. He is referring to the idea of addition. How can something be added without first being created? If it was created, what created it? What then, is the creator of the creator? What then, is the creator of the creator of the creator?

It is the Mysterious entanglement of the Uncaused cause, with the infinite cosmoses of cause and effect.

Or maybe, he was just playing with your mind 

[Batman]

Who is the one executing the "and"? The one that sliced the two in the first place.

[Thought Art]

one and one... There for reality is really nothing. It's consciousness. 

Edited January 26, 2021 by Thought Art

[StarStruck]

8 hours ago, Moksha said:

For me, it points to the paradox of ultimate and relative reality. He is referring to the idea of addition. How can something be added without first being created? If it was created, what created it? What then, is the creator of the creator? What then, is the creator of the creator of the creator?

It is the Mysterious entanglement of the Uncaused cause, with the infinite cosmoses of cause and effect.

Or maybe, he was just playing with your mind 

You mean sameness/difference?

[Preety_India]

He refers to the connection and brotherhood between people. 

Which basically means - 

Without you, I am nothing.

Without me, you are nothing. 

 

Edited January 27, 2021 by Preety_India

[Osaid]

He's saying "and" is a superficial duality being created

 

[tsuki]

Probably bought himself a bike and felt awesome for needing just one spare tire.

[Moksha]

9 hours ago, StarStruck said:

You mean sameness/difference?

In a way, yes. I'm referring to the intersection of sameness (nonduality) with difference (duality). What is the relationship between ultimate and relative reality? Somehow, they get entangled, in a way impossible for us to understand. It is the mystery of Brahman + Atman.

[mandyjw]

There was never a "one" in exclusion of anything else. With the creation of "one", all other numbers are created as one is the common unit or denominator of all other numbers.

4 hours ago, tsuki said:

Probably bought himself a bike and felt awesome for needing just one spare tire.

 

I can totally picture Rumi on a unicycle. 

[StarStruck]

1 hour ago, Moksha said:

In a way, yes. I'm referring to the intersection of sameness (nonduality) with difference (duality). What is the relationship between ultimate and relative reality? Somehow, they get entangled, in a way impossible for us to understand. It is the mystery of Brahman + Atman.

Thanks but I didn't get the Buddhism reference.  I still have to look into that when I have time. @mandyjw  Rumi had a donkey ?

[TrustTheProcess]

@StarStruck

I think that this video can help you make more sense of the quote. 

 

Basically, under the umbrella of non-duality is duality... Many "spiritual" people ironically create a dichotomy between duality and non-duality and want to reject the practical and human elements of life just because it is "not real" anyway, so why bother... I think Rumi is tryna say that this mindset is silly

Edited January 27, 2021 by louhad

[mandyjw]

1 minute ago, StarStruck said:

 @mandyjw  Rumi had a donkey ?

Thought that was Jesus. Maybe we're talking about the same one. Ba dum tss

 

[aurum]

@StarStruck

My interpretation is that he's referring to the fact that the Two are actually One. The connection between all things.

[Nahm]

20 hours ago, StarStruck said:

"You think because you understand 'one' you must also understand 'two', because one and one make two. But you must also understand 'and'.

-Rumi

What did he mean?

Nothing. (That’s the “point”). What meaning & understanding arises, is contingent the thought, “and”, and... love veils itself of itself with itself by itself. 

[StarStruck]

1 hour ago, louhad said:

@StarStruck

I think that this video can help you make more sense of the quote. 

 

Basically, under the umbrella of non-duality is duality... Many spiritual people ironically create a dichotomy between duality and non-duality and want to reject the practical and human elements of life just because it is "not real" anyway, so why bother... I think Rumi is tryna say that this mindset is silly

So is there an opposite of duality? So I guess you are saying duality is duality, and nonduality transcends all duality as a wrapper?

1 hour ago, mandyjw said:

Thought that was Jesus. Maybe we're talking about the same one. Ba dum tss

 

That and until recently it was the poor man's vehicle of that region. A horse was like a ferari. A donkey was a tesla.

59 minutes ago, Nahm said:

Nothing. (That’s the “point”). What meaning & understanding arises, is contingent upon the thought, “and”, and... love veils itself of itself with itself by itself. 

I didn't get the first part of the second sentence. I will think about it.

[Nahm]

@StarStruck

It can be a very tricky thing, so to speak. Some experience through a veil of self referential thinking. That is, believing a thought about themself could be true, missing they are themself the infinity the thought is made of, the awareness of the thought. Experience is reduced to a concept of reality as if it were something separate, as if they are a separate object in time, as if they are an object in a world. Suffering always points to the present transcendental truth of awareness. Suffering is perpetuated by missing this thought attachment, by one not recognizing how one is creating the suffering. 

And

one

Not. Two. 

What is this which is separate and knowing of meaning & understanding? 

Point to “it”. 

[Breakingthewall]

in a system it's not enough to know the parts, you also have to understand the relationship between them