What Do Enlightened People Do For Humanity?

[Prabhaker]

10 hours ago, Kevin Dunlop said:

on a planetary level or for the whole of humanity what would the benefit be if more people become enlightened?

See what man has done to man himself. In three thousand years man has fought five thousand wars. All the countries are preparing for war. And the Third World War will be a total war. Nobody is going to be a winner, because nobody is going to survive it. Not only is man going to be destroyed but all life on earth.  You cannot call this humanity healthy. And only once in a while has a Buddha bloomed. Something very basic has gone wrong. Each person is born to be a Buddha: less than that is not going to fulfill you.

Beware of the old conditioning which divides you as Indians, as Germans, as Japanese, as Americans. The enlightened man has to be universal. He will transcend all barriers of race, religion, sex, colour. The enlightened man will not be of the East or of the West; the new man will claim the whole earth as his home. 

For thousands of years we have lived with an either/or concept of man as a kind of battleground between the lower and the higher, the material and the spiritual, the worldly and the other–worldly, between good and evil, between God and the Devil. The consequences of such have severely limited human potential. The old man was repressive, aggressive. The old man was bound to be aggressive because repression always brings aggression. The enlightened man will be spontaneous, creative. 

The enlightened man is open and honest. He is transparently real, authentic and self-disclosing. He will not be a hypocrite. Right now the enlightened man is bound to be a mutant minority – but he is the carrier of a new culture.

 

 

[Dodo]

7 hours ago, Mikey said:

@blazed I'm glad it went this way.. Leo needs to leave me alone so does the church and and anyone else involved.. Go find someone else.. It's all a setup and I'm not a whiling participant.. Anyways this is what enlightened people do now you know.. 

I choose Zombie Apocalypse.. I'm not dying for anyone.. I'm gonna love myself for the first time 

1) Don't take things so personally

2) Zombie apocalypse is here - people always on their phones and getting fed information by the media, being controlled by it.

3) This path is about loving yourself. That's why you want to find the true self in the first place.

Your mind is creating some fiction and you are believing it to be truth. But even from here, turn away from those thoughts in 180 degrees and see who is experiencing those thoughts. It is you! One point smaller than a point, Everlasting, because experience can never stop. Or have you ever experienced non experience?

[Lawrence]

9 hours ago, Dodoster said:

I think it would be regrettable to turn away from working on inner peace and inner truth.

The most important thing "man" can do.

Edited October 4, 2016 by Lawrence

[The]

Just leave me alone stop manipulating me Leo and the rest

Edited October 4, 2016 by Mikey

[Prabhaker]

2 hours ago, Meta-Man said:

And then on the contrary you have U.G. Krishnamurti, which is not saintly at all.

U. G. Krishnamurti said he went to see Ramana Maharshi. He was not attracted - because he was chopping vegetables. Yes, Ramana Maharshi was that kind of man, very ordinary. Chopping vegetables! U. G. Krishnamurti must have gone to see somebody extraordinary sitting on a golden throne or something. Ramana Maharshi just sitting on the floor and chopping vegetables? preparing vegetables for the kitchen! He was very much frustrated. Then another day he went and saw him reading jokes. Finished for ever! This man knows nothing. This man is very ordinary. He left the ashram; it was not worth it. Ramana Maharshi, is one of the greatest Buddhas ever born to the world. That was his Buddhahood in action! U. G. Krishnamurti must have been in search of a pretender.

U. G. Krishnamurti, lived with Swami Sivanand of Rishikesh for seven years - and that chap was just stupid - and practised yoga with him. And after seven years he recognized that he has nothing; but after seven years, he took seven years. That simply shows that he also has a mighty dull mind. Seven years to see that Sivanand has nothing.

U.G. Krishnamurti lived with J. Krishnamurti for twelve years, and he never mentioned his name. If somebody brought up J. Krishnamurti's name, he immediately condemned J. Krishnamurti -- and whatever he was saying is just an imitation of J. Krishnamurti, paraphrasing.

These people like U.G. Krishnamurti were telling people to drop anger, to drop greed, to drop the ego. But if you provoke them... Their whole religion is just skindeep. Inside is hiding a very pious ego. U.G. Krishnamurti was not an authentic or sincere man -- but you can fall into the trap because he was repeating beautiful phrases. His memory was good, and his intellect was good, but this was the shadow. 

[The]

4 hours ago, Makis said:

A french philosopher summed it up very well some centuries ago:

you should be able to say whatever you want while sitting "alone" in the room

Edited October 4, 2016 by Mikey

[ajasatya]

12 hours ago, Mikey said:

@blazed I'm glad it went this way.. Leo needs to leave me alone so does the church and and anyone else involved.. Go find someone else.. It's all a setup and I'm not a whiling participant.. Anyways this is what enlightened people do now you know..  

you're the only person who can give yourself some peace. don't blame us. we're having a good time here.

[The]

@iago iriarte arhatha I'm glad you have a good time watching others suffer

8 minutes ago, iago iriarte arhatha said:

you're the only person who can give yourself some peace. don't blame us. we're having a good time here.

 

[ajasatya]

4 hours ago, Mikey said:

@iago iriarte arhatha I'm glad you have a good time watching others suffer

dear @Mikey , i said that we're having a good time here in this forum in general. we're not happy because you suffer. that was your own conclusion because reality still looks very personal to you. this suffering you feel comes from the fact that reality is trying to rob you from that ego-driven perspective but you don't let it happen.

if you relax and accept reality as it really is, something interesting will happen to you. right now, as you suffer, you're actually in the verge of a miracle. certainly the best thing that can occur in a human life experience.

Edited October 4, 2016 by iago iriarte arhatha

[Primeval]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCIfpZp7YcA

[Kevin Dunlop]

21 hours ago, Mikey said:

@blazed I'm glad it went this way.. Leo needs to leave me alone so does the church and and anyone else involved.. Go find someone else.. It's all a setup and I'm not a whiling participant.. Anyways this is what enlightened people do now you know..  

Ya I know about this Mikey, thats why alot of enlightened people avoid ¨worldly men¨

they become hermits, they live far away, they dont want to be bothered. ¨In order to avoid the trouble of meeting people, I left at night with my baggage on my back for the wilderness. ¨ Empty Cloud.  I completely understand nature is the only place I feel at ease.

 

 

[Neo]

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No man Leo lured me in with his meme's and the church used their tricks.. I've been trying to figure out how the hell they've been stalking me.. It was only through their lies and deception is why I'm here.. But I am not going to be Jesus, Buddha or anyone else but who I am at the present moment.. I don't give two poops to go further with this.. I'm happy not seeing or knowing anymore.. They need to go find someone else.. I've been resisting them from the get go but they don't get the message to leave me alone..

Mikey, this is only meant out of genuine concern and there's no easy way to say this, but are you taking meds for anything, because it sounds like you might be relapsing and in need of a doctor?

[Kevin Dunlop]

On 3/10/2016 at 6:18 PM, Mikey said:

Oh lol ? sorry..

I'm really just tired of it all.. Enlightenment was forced onto me and I don't want it.. I just want to go back to living a normal life.. I feel I have to much fake responsibility with no power.. I'm a patsy.. I wish everyone would just leave me alone..

This forum has been terrible for me.. 

I want to move I want to runaway but I have no means..My whole situation sucks I'm just waiting to see who's gonna kill me..

 I was just reading about how In China there was a whole system set up to support people with enlightenment. There are monistaries, traditions and respect for the process in the culture. Still many of the enlightened people went off to live alone for long periods of time in the mountains. I can see how in other societies enlightenment without the support system, understanding, history and respect could be different. I suggest you make some money and go camping if you like that sort of thing, thats what I did it was awsome being alone in the wilderness for a while. But thats me I love the woods, never miss anything when I am there, listening to the wind in the trees and the birds, drinking pure water, cooking on the fire.

I did hear that some thugs tried to kill the Gautama Buddha, also known as Siddhārtha Gautama by throwing big rocks on him and sending an enraged Elephant after him. So do be careful with weird, violent people. In China enlightened monks were able to eat food from the wild or grow food there. I didnt have food in the forests I lived in, I had some money saved up after working making wooden furniture and every once in a while I left the woods took a bus and bought food, thats all. 

[Kevin Dunlop]

On 3/10/2016 at 6:34 PM, Mikey said:

No.. 

Good luck on your journey..

you don't have to even meditate to become enlightened.. I dont want to get into it.. anyways take care.. I Just wanted to yell a couple things before I go.. 

I dont see meditation as a way of ataining enlightenment, I see it as a way of enjoying enlightenment. 

[Kevin Dunlop]

23 hours ago, blazed said:

Well this thread has derailed...

No, thats OK its all interesting stuff really. Iam always glad to see how people talk about these things.

[Kevin Dunlop]

On 3/10/2016 at 7:28 PM, Dodoster said:

Thats what jesus would say! 

Joking aside, you gonna die anyway. Isnt it more fun if you become aware of the you that never dies? You have been given this chance now and for whatever reason you gravitated towards this. And after all you wont die, only illusions will die. Its a journey of finding truth, not some suicide mission. The true you, they say, can never die.

Of course that being the case it doesnt really matter if you get the realization in this lifetime or in the next 100. I feel that I owe it to myself to find the truth, so im on the path. Im enjoying the path. And observing the one that enjoys! 

I think it would be regrettable to turn away from working on inner peace and inner truth.

Theres no pressure we are all still young and have alot to learn. No one can be expected to have all the answers right now. Its a process of ups and downs over many years. Lets be patient with eachother and ourselves

[Kevin Dunlop]

17 hours ago, Prabhaker said:

 Right now the enlightened man is bound to be a mutant minority – but he is the carrier of a new culture.

 

 

I had thought of this too, maybe the effect of enlightened people hasnt happened yet. We see everywhere the legasy of archectects, farmers, technology etc. Maybe its not as obvious, it takes more to see the legacy of enlightened people, or maybe its not yet in full bloom

[Deep]

On 10/3/2016 at 2:34 PM, Kevin Dunlop said:

But on a planetary level or for the whole of humanity what would the benefit be if more people become enlightened?

There seems to be different kinds of enlightened people and different levels of enlightenment. Some enlightened people never had sex because certain forms of yoga require a person to be celibate for many years. Jesus probably had a mystical experience from Kundalini yoga which requires sexual abstinence. His sexual energy probably rose from the base of his spine and went through his pineal gland in his brain. Afterwards he saw the Father in Heaven. Maybe the world would stop procreating. (I'm only speculating)

Another type of enlightenment is just a simple insight. One in which we become aware and feel the void. I'm not sure if our ego dies completely with an insight. Rupert Spira says that enlightenment is not an extraordinary experience. I think it's confusing because enlightenment is a word used to describe too many things. It's thrown around too casually nowadays. 

My opinion is that true enlightenment is only through a mystical experience. If we are God we should be able to experience the world like God. Do I believe it's possible? Absolutely, but it requires lots of discipline. I said all of this because most teachers will NEVER tell you to remain celibate; they want to be politically correct. I'm saying celibacy is a method to having a mystical experience from what I read. Forgive me if I offended anyone as that was not my intention.  

If everyone's ego died we would have no one to fight with. Our life would be boring without conflict. I think there are an infinite ways to become spiritual. 

Edited October 5, 2016 by Deep

[Prabhaker]

2 hours ago, Kevin Dunlop said:

I had thought of this too, maybe the effect of enlightened people hasnt happened yet. We see everywhere the legasy of archectects, farmers, technology etc. Maybe its not as obvious, it takes more to see the legacy of enlightened people, or maybe its not yet in full bloom

Man is coming to a very unique point from where a quantum leap will be possible. The moment is coming closer, because for the first time, particularly in the west, the society has come to such a state where it is feasible, it is practical. Otherwise in the east people have lived in such starvation – how to think about consciousness?

For that quantum leap a certain affluence was needed, and it has happened in West. That affluence has happened and society has created a stage where poverty is no more the rule and people can afford to think of higher things. They will seek all sorts of methods and possibilities and all sorts of gurus and pseudo-gurus will be there. But that is natural – it cannot be prevented. And even those pseudo gurus help, because sooner or later you get fed-up with them and you start looking for the real. 

[The]

10 hours ago, iago iriarte arhatha said:

dear @Mikey , i said that we're having a good time here in this forum in general. 

Sorry for misinterpreting what you wrote.. I'm under a lot of pressure.. 

@Kevin Dunlop Thanks for the nice word's..

I'd love to get away from here.. I don't know about the woods though, people get sacrificed in the woods ??.. To be honest I don't think Ill ever feel safe again anywhere.. Gotta keep moving  but your moves are already written or your shadow is watching your every move.. Odds are you're never alone and you can't even talk to yourself at home alone without possibly pissing someone off.. I feel like they're there while I'm wiping my ass.. All I know is I'm not meditating where I'm at now.. Would like to travel to Asia but have to make it through the year first get a job and yeah I'll never make it there in my foreseeable future.. I was recently mystified by nature now I see animals as spies or like you said a raging whatever controlled by who knows.. I was happier not knowing what I know now.. I think it's only going to get worse not better if all this spiritual stuff keeps going the way it is.. It's used to and for torment, torture, stalk, hack, fraud, and basically make people's lives hell now.. Maybe in the past it was used to help people but times are a changing..

@Neo I'm not taking any meds now but 1year and a half ago when the stalkers pushed me to the edge.. When I called for help I got taken to a psycho ward and spent two weeks there leaving with a prescription for abilify.. I took it for a couple months but I know I ain't crazy.. I could tell you some of what's going on and you'd really think I was crazy.. I'm not.. I'm just aware.. I got crazy pressure on me you have no idea.. With a name like neo in this crowd you better either be a guru/budha/christ or on your way to being one.. If not you might find yourself asking me for advice soon.. ?? anyways it's amazing what you get use to.. 

Edited October 5, 2016 by Mikey