Being triggered by vegans

[Danioover9000]

@K Ghoul

10 minutes ago, K Ghoul said:

Meanwhile, in Siberia (brother got himself two piggies)

 

Go tell him to go be a vegan, he will laugh in your face. Fortunately, he is not going to let his family get starved and malnourished during winter in -50 Celsius by chewing on some carrots. 

I don’t think vegans mean to do harm to anybody. I think major element that plays role of giving birth to such concepts as going vegan is just ignorance. Me personally coming from a place where you don’t choose what you are going to eat for dinner, this idea just seems ludicrous. I guess someone who hasn’t experienced the struggle of putting food on the table for themselves and their family but are privileged enough to have this luxury of sitting in their comfy homes and ordering their fancy vegan meals online will never be able to relate, let alone understand.

   This is another perspective, among many others that contrasts and differs from the perspective of vegans.

[Danioover9000]

@Keyhole

3 minutes ago, Keyhole said:

I get triggered by them, too.  I don't like having people come at me from that angle, I don't have a lot of money to be spending on stuff.  I have 300 dollar limit for the entire month - 150 of that goes towards animals, and the rest towards cleaning/sanitary/art supplies.  Occasionally I have enough every two or three months to buy a little bit of weed, which I use for spiritual purposes.

I get my food at the foodbank, we don't get much of a choice - especially now, as everything is prebagged.
I did decide to cut out red meat, and it was due to this post here:

This is the best way to get people to change is not to come at them with this "You need to change" attitude, but to appeal to their hearts.  Rather than fighting for the cause, spread awareness and those who are meant to find it, and who can change will do so of their own volition.
That is the best way because the person grew based on love, not on shame.

Sharpen your artistic and writing skills - photography, ect - keyboard jockeying doesn't do jack shit for causes you care about.  It does the opposite of what you want to happen.

   This also a valid perspective on veganism, especially the affordability of this lifestyle.

[StarStruck]

9 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@K Ghoul

   This is another perspective, among many others that contrasts and differs from the perspective of vegans.

There goes the argument "don't you feel sad about the animals?" straight out of the window. The reality is much more nuanced. 

[Scholar]

It's not possible to engage with you guys, you literally ignore any substantive point and gloss over it. You don't actually even take them time to even attempt to understand and wrestle with what is being said you. Whenver we point something out, you simply ignore the fact that it was pointed out and you move on to some unrelated tangent that requires new arguments. But what to even argue for if you will just ignore it again and move to another tangent.

It is incredibly furstrating to have a conversation like this. It is bad faith, which I guess should have been clear from the very beginning since the nature of this topic is someone admitting that they have certained biases.

 

It is incredible that people can talk such nonsense and when it is pointed out they simply don't care.

 

1 minute ago, Keyhole said:

This is the best way to get people to change is not to come at them with this "You need to change" attitude, but to appeal to their hearts.  Rather than fighting for the cause, spread awareness and those who are meant to find it, and who can change will do so of their own volition.
That is the best way because the person grew based on love, not on shame.

It is so obvious that you say only to actually make yourself out to be the more reasonable person rather than it being actual advice. I have tried both approaches, I have had success with both approaches, and I have had failures with both approaches. Especially certain individuals in here I tried both approaches with and both of them are completely unsuccessful.

Most older people will not change, they will die with this kind of speciesism in their heart. This has been the case with literal human slaves, and it certainly will be the case with animal slaves.

 

You actually know nothing about what is effective vegan advocacy, the reason why you are pointing this out is because you don't like when we point out your deeds. You will use any opportunity, including literal virtue signalling, to somehow sneak your way out of this.

[Danioover9000]

   On another note, just eating vegetables overstimulates my hormones, and increases my horniness levels. While it's great at other contexts, some contexts I find it unpleasant to feel horny for long periods of time. I find it annoying when my mind wonders to naked women when I need it to design complex structures for my survival.

   Vegan, no vegan, alien, elf machine, you do you. You're a perspective like the specks of dust in the universe, a once in a lifetime snowflake that'll melt like all the rest of the snows out there. Hopefully at least realize how relative you are to everything.

Edited January 25, 2021 by Danioover9000

[Scholar]

Just now, Danioover9000 said:

   On another note, just eating vegetables overstimulates my hormones, and increases my horniness levels. While it's great at other contexts, some contexts I find it unpleasant to feel horny for long periods of time. I find it annoying when my mind wonders to naked women when I need it to design complex structures for my survival.

   Vegan, no vegan, alien, elf machine, you do you. You're a perspective like the specks of dust in the universe, a once in a lifetime snowflake that'll melt like all the rest of the snows out there. Hopefully at least realize how relative you are to evrything.

Oh, so it is okay to kill and enslave individuals if I want to lower my horniness levels and adjust my hormones. You must really feel bad for all the pedophiles who are not allowed to live out their own perspectives.

It's not at all like you are using spirituality like a devil. No, you are not using it to justify behaviours at all.

[StarStruck]

18 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@K Ghoul

   This is another perspective, among many others that contrasts and differs from the perspective of vegans.

From the mouth of vegan celebs who did everything by the book:

 

[Scholar]

1 minute ago, neutralempty said:

Wonderfully used relativism for your egoic purpose. I wonder if you do that with child rape too?

Funny how this is such an obvious fallacy that we came up with the same response.

[Carl-Richard]

22 hours ago, StarStruck said:

Vegetables are living things too. They might not have a heart but they do have senses and an urge to survive. I find their passion highly selective. Loads of people are suffering because of vegan diets. They should care about humans too.

 

I'm sorry, I didn't see that you quoted Joe Rogan in your earlier comments. I'm sorry that I've wasted your time.

 

 

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[Carl-Richard]

2 minutes ago, neutralempty said:

How fitting that there is a debate on that going on right now.

 

https://youtu.be/slBDoEiaFGo

Where does Richard find these people? ? The guy legitimately sounds like he belongs in an institution.

[Scholar]

7 minutes ago, Keyhole said:

@Scholar Well, it actually worked.  Nothing else you have said here is accurate as far as my character goes.  This is you, dude... you don't know your audience.  That's why you're a complete failure when it comes to advocacy.  

Someone gave their point of view, without attack - and you added that energy into the conversation.  Of course people are going to shut down.

Improve your people skills.  No one is going to listen when you talk like that.  And they shouldn't.

You are incredible at gaslighting people, I will refrain from engaging with you again.

[Danioover9000]

@Scholar

7 minutes ago, Scholar said:

Oh, so it is okay to kill and enslave individuals if I want to lower my horniness levels and adjust my hormones. You must really feel bad for all the pedophiles who are not allowed to live out their own perspectives.

It's not at all like you are using spirituality like a devil. No, you are not using it to justify behaviours at all.

   That's okay, because that's dependent on the era and relative to people's willingness to be in such situations. Also, who you are and act are relative to you, so you do you, keeping in mind how relative it all is, which doesn't remove consequences for yourself, because that too is relative.

   The last part is irrelevant, we're talking about veganism not spirituality, which is relative too.

[StarStruck]

5 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Where does Richard find these people? ? The guy legitimately sounds like he belongs in an institution.

Birds that fly together flock together. 

[Danioover9000]

@neutralempty

11 minutes ago, neutralempty said:

Wonderfully used relativism for your egoic purpose. I wonder if you do that with child rape too?

   Because that's the case, that you are relative to other things. 

[Scholar]

@Keyhole

Also, the irony of calling others a failure of advocacy while you are doing nothing but ego attacks is hilarious. But as always, you guys just thrive in hypocrisy.

 

7 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Scholar

   That's okay, because that's dependent on the era and relative to people's willingness to be in such situations. Also, who you are and act are relative to you, so you do you, keeping in mind how relative it all is, which doesn't remove consequences for yourself, because that too is relative.

   The last part is irrelevant, we're talking about veganism not spirituality, which is relative too.

The fact that morality is relative has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Infact, the fact that it is relative makes it so much more important to do honest rational inquiries and remain consistent. This is quite literally the reason why you can enjoy to sit here and write on a computer instead of running away from a maniac trying to murder you and then rape your wife. But apparently you don't understand the importance of this technology we call morality.

Your idea of morality is completely self-serving, and because it serves no purpose for you anymore, you just throw it away. This is very easy to do when you are not the one being gassed to death.

Edited January 25, 2021 by Scholar

[Danioover9000]

@StarStruck

13 minutes ago, StarStruck said:

From the mouth of vegan celebs who did everything by the book:

 

   Sorry, that's still relative.

[Carl-Richard]

4 minutes ago, K Ghoul said:

And  Vegan Gains doesn’t belong there?

Well, that is certain a long rabbit hole hahaha 

[Danioover9000]

@Scholar

1 minute ago, Scholar said:

@Keyhole

Also, the irony of calling others a failure of advocacy while you are doing nothing but ego attacks is hilarious. But as always, you guys just thrive in hypocrisy.

 

The fact that morality is relative has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Infact, the fact that it is relative makes it so much more important to do honest rational inquiries and remain consistent. This is quite literally the reason why you can enjoy to sit here and write on a computer instead of running away from a maniac trying to murder and rape your wife. But apparently you don't understand the importance of this technology we call morality.

   Morality is relative to other types of moralities. Relativity has everything to do with what we're discussing here, because as soon as you bring in perspectives that live on a carnivore diet, an omnivore diet, a more serious vegan diet and native diets like eating whales and seals, the view of vegans becomes relative. Even what you call 'honest rational inquiries' is relative to other types of rationalities, including the rationality that can claim this entire thread is irrelevant and does not count as a discussion whatsoever. Literally, it's so relative that the degree of a situation's or a person's worth and stake is relative to other situations and people's other levels of worth. Indeed, I'm so relative that I benefit from my relativity, as I'm not another person being chased down by a killer immediately. We all greatly benefit from relativity, such that you don't go insane from the lack of separation from others and parts of the world.

   Unfortunately for me, I'm starting to value the lives of other plants more so than animals and humans. Am I at risk of mental breakdown? Maybe so, yet this relativity is helping still to maintain my sanity, as does it benefit you too! Because you too type away in an intellectual superiority manner, relative to other ways of typing on the computer.

[Village]

5 minutes ago, K Ghoul said:

And  Vegan Gains doesn’t belong there? Isn’t it this guy who’s showing his wife’s pussy online?

And a self-admitted sociopath who wants to step on newborn babies until they're nothing but blood and pulp on the pavement.  But wait, he's a vegan, that makes him a compassionate person. A typical example of how people use veganism as a façade to hide how hungry and aggressive they are (just look at the company we got right here). It's all about ego, after all.

[Carl-Richard]

6 minutes ago, K Ghoul said:

Elaborate 

Oh man, the dude self-diagnoses himself as a sociopath with violent tendencies, has admitted to having persecutory auditory hallucinations, uses people dying of cancer (including his dad) to prove a point etc.. He's truly some dude. Still, he is mostly on point regarding veganism.

Edited January 25, 2021 by Carl-Richard