Learning New Languages

[xxxx]

A few questions:

1) What’s your process like?

2) What are the tools that you use?

3) How many different languages can you  learn at once? 

4) How long did it take you to become proficient?

5) How often do you revise? Also, are you able to recall it if you haven’t revised it for a while? 

6) What are the things I definitely need to do?

7) What are the things I definitely need to avoid? 

8) How many languages do you know?

9) Miscellaneous material / resources / videos / articles / books.

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Thank you

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Edited January 19, 2021 by xxxx

[xxxx]

Thank you for such a comprehensive answer, Flume. I really appreciate it. 

5 hours ago, flume said:

So in school: wrecking your brain, endless study, never getting ahead and ultimately giving up

I totally agree with this. I learned French for almost 7 years of my school life, and became pretty fluent in it, too - mastering the grammar part, which is supposed to be abstruse - but once I left the confines of academic life, the usage of this language was pushed to the corners, and I forgot a large part of it. 

Only if school had focused more on the practical part, than the theory part. 

5 hours ago, flume said:

You have to get out of translation - mode for real proficiency

Absolutely. 

5 hours ago, flume said:

Depends on how difficult they are

How does one assess the difficulty of a language? Are there any specific parameters? 

5 hours ago, flume said:

 If you wanna learn extra fast, get yourself a boyfriend in that new language

Point noted, kind ma'am, haha - shall definitely look into this in the future as a possibility --- according to the language, region and availability, haha! 

5 hours ago, flume said:

What languages do you want to learn? Maybe I can help you out with a few specific resources 

I know, I'll sound pretentious here, but I wish to learn all the major languages of the world. That's a deep desire that I ardently possess.

Want to brush up my French, ab initio; thereafter, the others. 

I am giving myself 3-4 years time. 

You can give me the requisite resources; I'm sure they will be of immense help.

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Thank you.

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Edited January 19, 2021 by xxxx

[Gesundheit]

11 minutes ago, flume said:

English for example has only one kind of article ("the") while French and German have 3.

German articles drive me crazy!

Thanks for the info. I just added Latin to my list. I would appreciate your input on Chinese.

Edited January 20, 2021 by Gesundheit

[Striving for more]

@xxxx There are tons of things you can too & if you use all the tools you can learn very fast. 

On 19/01/2021 at 1:35 PM, xxxx said:

A few questions:

1) What’s your process like?

2) What are the tools that you use?

3) How many different languages can you  learn at once? 

4) How long did it take you to become proficient?

5) How often do you revise? Also, are you able to recall it if you haven’t revised it for a while? 

6) What are the things I definitely need to do?

7) What are the things I definitely need to avoid? 

8) How many languages do you know?

9) Miscellaneous material / resources / videos / articles / books.

1. Process will be different for everything (depends how much free time you have, where you live, your living environment, social environment).

2. Tools : 

• Google translate 
• Word reference 
• Italki 
• Conversation exchange 
• Youtube
• Memrize
• Physical tools > Best 1 = use sticky labels in you home & attach them to objects so that everyday you're reminded of your table as "la mesa" ect.. 

*Can go in to a lot more dept in how you'd want to use these tools specifically, & your laptop & living environment in general.

For example you can make a separate youtube account & structure it to be just designed for languages, subscribed only to the best teachers that's style resonate with you ... 

I could go into way more dept., considering creating a whole course on how to learn languages efficiently using technology. 

I can send a screenshot of how I would organize my browser for language learning by favouriting different websites ect.. this is important. 

 

3. I would be careful about learning multiple languages at once. I think this is possible but at least drill in the basics & familiarize yourself with 1 language before you start trying to learn 2. 

Having said that the mind is very powerful, anything is possible. 

 

4. Is a silly & common question 

There is no exact end point when you become "fluent", it's a gradual ongoing process. 

Also do not focus on this, focus on "being able to hold a conversation or enjoy a film ect.."

You'll start to "feel" when you're doing good in a language, if you focus on fluency it will demotivate you.

I focused on being able to enjoy a conversation, & I defo can do that in spanish & I love it its great, but i'm far from fluent

 

*BEST TIP FOR READING ARTICLES >>> Pick something you find super interesting anyway (for me it's psychology, technology) & then find an article in your target language for that topic 

 

To answer no.5 > You have to revise frequently or you will forget it. The good news is you don't need 10 hours a day, even 10-15 minutes per day or at least multiple times a week will help it stick.

There's tons of words I "learnt" & then later forgot because I had an all at once then dump it mentality. 

No, you have to have patience & accept you will forget a majority of what you learn, but as long as you keep exposing yourself through reading, talking ect.. it will all eventually stick for good. But it will take months at least. 

 

Any video that says "I learnt Italian in 7 days" is a scammy clickbait video. Yes they learnt it, but they will forget everything  just as fast ... unless they keep doing it for months/years. So they didn't even really learn it. 

 

Lastly, the general idea of "immersion is so key and why many people forget what they learn & it doesn't stick. You need constant immersion to learn very quickly & this is why moving country is so powerful.

However the typical Brit might go move to Spain, but then they only stay with there English friends, refuse to engage & so they are not actually "immersed", they're just now in a different country. 

It's being in a different country vs "becoming" the country. 

If I were to move country I would be really motivated to study the language, but the double benefit is I'd improve my social skill because I'd just start convos in the target lanugae with foreigners non stop, every shop, bar ect.. you go. 

 

 

 

Edited January 20, 2021 by Striving for more

[StateOfMind]

Let's say you wanna learn french from scratch...

First go to Youtube and search something like "200 most common words in french".

After you memorize those words by listening to them everyday, next go and write/type them down so they really sink in.

Then go and do another youtube search like "100 most common phrases in french"

Do the same thing you did before, listen to the same video (while focusing on what's being written of course) everyday for an X of days and write/type them.

Now all you wanna do is to expand your vocab words and phrases.

After that watch 5 children short stories, but intensively, you need to follow the words and how they pronounce them and most importantly watch every video for 5-10 times. until it gets very boaring..., (if you're one of those crazy people to type with 9 fingers like me, than head on to 10fastfingers.com and change the language to french. And just type!... this typing thing is very very very useful cuz on one hand you increase your WPM and the other you're typing which means memorizing more words. maybe even type every kids story you watch 5 times if you wanna go crazy)

Now you're a beginner, so go and watch one of those guys on youtube for example: https://www.youtube.com/user/francaisauthentique

But what is most important is the reason. why do you wanna learn that language?

Your life has to be that language! you wanna the langue of your tv, phone, social media accounts, windows, listen to french music, watch french movies, follow french cooking, french comedy... everything (at this stage you should be intermediate). to really make a commitment.

but never learn grammar, it will come naturally,

So that's how i learned English (my native is Arabic), it has been 5 years and i still collect new vocab. i quit learning french because english is more than enough for me maybe in the future i'll meet a french girl or something

On 1/19/2021 at 2:35 PM, xxxx said:

5) How often do you revise? Also, are you able to recall it if you haven’t revised it for a while?

Go big or go home. but if you wanna take your time, you can skip all the above and start with grammar lol.

[Ibgdrgnxxv]

@xxxx listening.

 

Edited January 20, 2021 by Ibgdrgnxxv

[xxxx]

@flume Thank you so much for your answers, Flume. They have been of immense help.

I know a bit of Latin (legal maxims, haha) --- but shall delve into it in a wholesome manner.

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8 hours ago, datamonster said:

Being in Spain I improved more in one month than I did in a year previously.

Yes, I totally agree. It has been the case with the places that I have travelled to; while I may have not been able to communicate with the locals fluently, I was able to understand, to a considerable extent, what they were trying to say. I usually learn a few phrases from the locals, and use it for the purposes required.  

Anyway, thank you for the tip regarding grammar. 

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7 hours ago, Striving for more said:

1) Can go in to a lot more dept in how you'd want to use these tools specifically, & your laptop & living environment in general.

2) I could go into way more dept., considering creating a whole course on how to learn languages efficiently using technology. 

3) I can send a screenshot of how I would organize my browser for language learning by favouriting different websites ect.. this is important. 

Thank you so much for the detailed answer.

If you could do all the three above, it will be of help to many of us here. I look forward to this. 

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3 hours ago, StateOfMind said:

if you're one of those crazy people to type with 9 fingers like me, than head on to 10fastfingers.com and change the language to french. And just type!

I checked the website out --- amazing. I know a bit of French; did it for 7 years in school, so this will be helpful in brushing it up. 

Also, no --- I am not one of those crazy people who types with nine fingers. I type quite fast, though, but just with two fingers, haha. Only if I knew how to use the other seven. I feel so ordinary right now - thanks, man. 

Anyway, your approach is very interesting, and I am sure it will be quite useful in this endeavour.

Thank you. I really appreciate the help. 

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14 minutes ago, Ibgdrgnxxv said:

Also listening a lot. Learning writing is harder than learning for communication purposes only. 

Thank you for your advice.

[blackchair]

oh gosh, cant wait

[Striving for more]

Also great way to start off is to not do boring stuff like gramma but use movies or series.

You should pick a critically acclaimed film or Netflix series that you'll love & add subtitles. 

You may gain nothing but it will give you an emotional boost to start because you see how they talk differently & different culture, I found this is what motivated me to learn a new lingo, because I felt excited by watching their accent, customs, different city & wanting to talk like that  

 

Another tip is to study "forgetting curve" graph > Set a schedule in google calendar to return to your key vocabulary according to the curve, (you shouldn't try to study for hours at once or anything, what's more effective is to just read the list for 10 minutes but do it regularly & at least aligned with the curve) 

https://www.mosalingua.com/en/memory-the-forgetting-curve/

Edited March 7, 2021 by Striving for more

[Epikur]

Learning Anglish 
 

 

[Fandango]

- For learning a language, like many other things, what you need is mastery

- Language helps you explore many different cultures and point of views, and to see your own self biases because of your own culture

- Don´t ask how long, etc -> mastery is a life time commitment

- Tips in case helps you: listen to the local radios from different part of the globe in their native languages (those you understand). I listen to radios from radical different places: Brazil and spanish speaking countries from South America, Africa (Portuguese speaking countries), Europe (Uk and Spain), USA. Even the kind of adds the play in the radio are radically different depending on their level of depelopment in the Spiral. It is a brain hack

 

[Epikur]

I would start with this for German immersion but that is just me: 


 

 

[Eternal Unity]

I am learning Latin through dictionaries and translated works. It is a slow process. My intention is to translate written works by myself.

The tool of google translate is simple but quite effective one.

I also interested in learning Greek. I intend to take a course in university sometime in the future. It'll signify the beginning at least.

Greg

[b_woo]

You should try out a new system of learning languages (stage yellow thinking) which seems to be gaining a lot of momentum.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY3M77wNeopjQbL9mpSVvLg

https://www.languagetransfer.org/

 

Its totally free and the guys is just an awesome human.

[Preety_India]

On 19/01/2021 at 7:05 PM, xxxx said:

few questions:

1) What’s your process like?

2) What are the tools that you use?

3) How many different languages can you  learn at once? 

4) How long did it take you to become proficient?

5) How often do you revise? Also, are you able to recall it if you haven’t revised it for a while? 

6) What are the things I definitely need to do?

7) What are the things I definitely need to avoid? 

8) How many languages do you know?

9) Miscellaneous material / resources / videos / articles / books.

.

Thank you

 

1) it's quite complicated for me. I have to start with writing and then pronouncing. I can't have it backwards. 

2) currently I'm using an app

3)I'm not proficient at all. It might take me 2 months to get a decent grip. 

4) only one language at a time 

5) without constant revisions, memorization is impossible 

6) get good with basics. A definite thing to do. 

7) don't too impatient to learn everything at once. Take your time. Cram the basics really well. 

8) I know Hindi, Urdu, English, partial Portuguese and now I'm learning German. 

9) I would recommend a translator app and a grammar book. 

 

 

[Hans]

I'd say the main point about language learning is living in the country where the language is spoken.

I just spent 2 months living in Italy for the first time. I started learning the language beginning of my stay and by the end, I was able to understand the language quite well, as long as it was spoken clearly and slowly.

What really pushed me to learn it was the fact that everyone was speaking Italian around me all day, every day. Some spoke English with me (that's where I tended to fall into comfort zone, speaking English with them), but some couldn't and the only way to communicate was to start forming some rudimentary sentences.

At the same time I was also actively learning words, verb conjugations, looking up what I heard somewhere, trying to read books in the language, asking tons of cos'è questo and cosa vuol dire (what's this and what does ... mean). Basically being very enthusiastic about understanding everything.

It was a lot of effort every time, but little by little you get a feeling for it and things start to make sense and feel natural. I think the key for me was really enjoying the culture, the people, being among them and having fun with the language. And being among locals really gives you a feeling of how the language is spoken, which you can't get from a distance.

[vindicated erudite]

I'm currently learning Japanese by immersing myself with lots of Japanese media and culture. I tend to watch a lot of old 90's manga with Japanese subtitles and audio. 

[LarryJustin]

It’s a very good idea to learn new things. I’m also trying to learn. Actually, never stop learning. People should gather knowledge from different sources. I would like to be an essay writer. I have been following this one https://studyhippo.com/essay-examples/who-am-i/ to motive myself. Let see what I can do. 

[charlie cho]

I speak Chinese, Korean, and English. Korean and English I'm very very good at. Chinese, below average. But had only started a year and a half ago. So I think I progressed faster than anybody. I think i know what it means to master a language, because in both America and Korea, they both consider me their natives.

1. persistence

2. use a language exchange app called "hello talk" (absolutely fundamental in your learning and must not be underused. Must be overused. This is a must, I tell you.)

3. Ask any natives of that language and show them your language teachers. Do they say he or she teaches well? If yes, pick that person, but also consider how well he teaches you.

4. Listen to audio programs any time you can.

5. Movies and shows are a must watch. 

6. Be ingrained with their culture. Must even defer to that culture. As you know, the key to understanding is awareness. And there is no awareness when there is no love. There is no love when there is not some kind of surrender, some kind of deference. This is a scientifically proven fact, where people who are distant to the culture and try to not assimilate to their food, religion, rituals of that country has almost undoubtedly a hard time learning anything of that language. You must defer to that culture like its a master. Read their ancient books in your own native language if necessary. Take interest in their major historical figures. Take interest into their religion and even go to their temples. It's a beautiful thing to understand other cultures and your mind aches sometimes which is good. It means you brain chemistry is changing. It's growth. But most importantly, it's about learning the language no? And without this, there is no understanding of the language, because language is deeply imbedded into the culture. It's the two sides of the same coin. 

7. Ideally every day 30 minutes study of the language. At least 2 days a week 30 minutes study of the language. A must, talk with a native in that language at least twice a week. At least. Use the language exchange app. So many foreigners are willing to learn English more than English speakers trying to learn a foreign language. Use that. 

8. Have fun. And learn the language you want to learn. Usually, it will be a culture that you very like. Without having fun, it will not be imprinted in the mind. It's a fact.

9. Watch the same movie you love again and again. Later on, don't even watch the subtitles. And you'll remember the phrases spoken and you'll find yourself imitating some actors. Pronunciation will greatly enhance with that and with you speaking with the native. You can show the natives the phrases you've learnt in movies and play it out to them. They will love it and laugh. They will try to teach you more, because they see that you are passionate about their culture. Show a heart to them, then they will give you much more value.