How much do women get turned on by a man's looks?

[Recursoinominado]

39 minutes ago, ColeMC01 said:

@Recursoinominado Look i really appreciate all the positive vibes you give on this forum and tough love etc. However normal guys cannot take you as a success model if you look like an  8.5 honestly. As an 8.5 you need some decent game and you can fuck even very attractive girls. Decent game is not that difficult to develop, the issue is with average looking guys that need GREAT game to get a nice girl (around 7/10 in attractiveness). Anyway thank you for the work you do here, i am not attacking you or anything

My whole point is that I would SUCK with women if I didn't learned game. In fact, I still think I SUCK because I can't really get the top 20% of women and if my looks mattered that much, that wouldn't be a problem.

As I said before, I grew up socially isolated, sucking with girls, which made me somewhat autistic-like. As "good looking" as I am, I am not nearly as good with women as I should be based on you guys opinion.

[soos_mite_ah]

1 hour ago, Bando said:

@soos_mite_ah  Theres actually a whole subreddit dedicated to finding stuff like this out believe it or not, it's called TrueRateMe. In my opinion the place reeks of incel and Redpill culture but their template on rating looks is one perspective to think about if you're interested. 

The general gist is that in terms of facial aesthetics a 1-3 is  on the lower end end of the spectrum 4-6 is where most of society lands is 7 is your local hot chick or dude and 8-10 are model like status.

This is the Rank system they use for Men~ https://i.imgur.com/1EpSoNB.jpg

This is the Rank system they use for Women~ https://i.imgur.com/YlBqElb.png

And this is how they determine those metrics~ https://i.imgur.com/vA5AUfp.jpg

My take on it is that there are certain traits that all human beings find attractive and unattractive. One person may see someone as 5 but to  you see them as 8 because they have certain preferences you enjoy (hight, build, race ect).  This model does have its limitations as beauty is subjective but only up to a certain point. A 1-2 stands out just as much as a 9-10 does 

Ok I checked all the links out and I will say that I think it's stupid lol and that these people have WAAAAAY too much time on their hands. 

To me in in both the men's and the women's sections if it were up to me  I would rank what the chart defines as a 10 all the way to 5 as very attractive to attractive depending on an individual's preferences. 4.5 - 2 to me look more like average people. 

The nose, lips, cheekbones, and face shape thing is kinda dumb. I looked at the people who they deemed as sub par as perfectly fine. I get the ratio and the symmetry thing but maybe the way I rate people is more broad and forgiving because I'm not out here measuring out people's faces like a obsessive lunatic, and maybe I might have a very inclusive definition of beauty and attractiveness. I also kinda get the skin thing but I find it nitpicky. You can be pretty attractive and still have acne or wrinkles. 

1 hour ago, Origins said:

@soos_mite_ah I know I don't get that either. When I used the word math as I did initially in this thread, its complicated math, not straight forward math as culture likes to oversimplify it "Oh you're a 5, 6, etc, etc". As long as your nose isn't Everest / analogous you have to be more open minded to at least both a +/-2 depending on what demographic is viewing you, and that too, is still oversimplifying things.

Yeah it's really difficult to just quantify beauty like that. Just because your nose is slightly crooked doesn't mean you get points taken off. Hell, most people probably aren't looking that closely at your face to analyze it and if they are that's weird as hell. 

Edited January 15, 2021 by soos_mite_ah

[Elevated]

2 minutes ago, soos_mite_ah said:

Ok I checked all the links out and I will say that I think it's stupid lol and that these people have WAAAAAY too much time on their hands. 

To me in in both the men's and the women's sections if it were up to me  I would rank what the chart defines as a 10 all the way to 5 as attractive to attractive depending on an individual's preferences. 4.5 - 2 to me look more like average people. 

The nose, lips, cheekbones, and face shape thing is kinda dumb. I looked at the people who they deemed as sub par as perfectly fine. I get the ratio and the symmetry thing but maybe the way I rate people is more broad and forgiving because I'm not out here measuring out people's faces like a obsessive lunatic. I also kinda get the skin thing but I find it nitpicky. You can be pretty attractive and still have acne or wrinkles. 

These are the same people who will say women will never find Henry Cavill or Timothée Chalamet attractive because they have "prey eyes," because their eyes slant outward instead of inward. Those poor guys...they'll never know what's like to be desired by women...

[soos_mite_ah]

Just now, Elevated said:

These are the same people who will say women will never find Henry Cavill or Timothée Chalamet attractive because they have "prey eyes," because their eyes slant outward instead of inward. Those poor guys...they'll never know what's like to be desired by women...

Both Henry Cavill and Timothee Chalamet are what I believe twitter calls "white boy of the month" where you have a bunch of girls on twitter simping over random usually white boys before those girls finds new people to obsess over in the next month. 

I assure you for anyone reading this thread, normal girls or guys don't scrutinize your face or bone structure to that extent. Whatever flaw you might have, people don't care nearly as much as you do. 

[Hardkill]

15 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Haha

Women are not sexually aroused in the same way as guys. They are not aroused by visuals alone. They are attracted to powerful personality and presence and leadership. They are attracted when the guy is good at pumping up her emotional state and making her feel like a girl. Women are emotional creatures. A photo of the biggest dick in the world will not make her excited. You must pump up her emotional state first. The silent James Bond approach will not get you laid. You must be chatty, playful, and extroverted. You need to play with her.

Your looks are a great advantage -- they get your foot in the door -- but getting your foot in the door is NOT closing. Learning to close makes or breaks your whole lay count. If you are good-looking but have no clue how to close, you'll get laid less then ugly guys who know how to close.

Right now it's like you own a Ferrari but have no clue how to drive. The Ferrari is a fast car that will beat a Toyota, but if I know how to drive my Toyota and you have no clue how to drive your Ferrari, I will beat you every time.

If you want to understand what turns on women, go to Walmart and buy a romance novel. Read it. That's is porn for women. Women are turned on mentally, not visually.

Also... attraction is also not seduction. You can get attraction pretty easy but then you must lay on the seduction until she's horny. A women does not get horny instantly like a guy. You need to guide her into it and manage all the logistics so sex can happen. You absolutely cannot count on women to handle the logistics. Learning to handle logistics like a champ is the #1 key to getting laid consistently.

It's the logistics, stupid

All game boils down to two things: playful leading. Everything else is an unpacking of those two things. If you can't be playful and you can't lead, your game sucks, and so your chances of getting laid become extremely low.

Yeah, everything that you said is what I've heard from various pick up artists and dating coaches. A lot of times, I get skeptical about what they say because I still get a lot of contradicting messages and propaganda created by the media, movies, TV shows, many Youtube vids, parents, academic schooling, friends, what girls a lot of times say, etc.  I also still keep hoping that I don't have to do as much work as other guys do with seduction. lol.

I've been told by Gunwitch that the James Bond approach actually doesn't work as well as a lot of guys would think unless you're in a quiet night lounge or fancy party. Though Corey Wayne has a lot of times referred to James Bond as a great example for men to follow because of how masculine, icy cool, confident, brave, classy, mysterious, and sexy he is around women and even comes off as an alpha male who is respected by many men. 

Logistics really does matter a lot. To be honest, there some lays that I missed out on because I didn't have my own place and/or because of the times I couldn't quickly figure out where to have sex without us feeling too uncomfortable or embarrassed about it.

I know that women get more slowly turned on sexually like a relatively slow turning dial whereas men get turned on sexually faster like an instant flip switch. 

I get that ugly guys who know how to close will indeed get laid more than good-looking/hot dudes who don't know how to close. Though, who would  you say would get laid more? A good-looking/hot guy who knows how to seduce women or a homely guy who has equal skill to that of the former?

[soos_mite_ah]

1 hour ago, Bando said:

@soos_mite_ah  Theres actually a whole subreddit dedicated to finding stuff like this out believe it or not, it's called TrueRateMe. In my opinion the place reeks of incel and Redpill culture but their template on rating looks is one perspective to think about if you're interested. 

Just checked out r/TrueRateMe

12 minutes ago, soos_mite_ah said:

maybe I might have a very inclusive definition of beauty and attractiveness. I also kinda get the skin thing but I find it nitpicky

Yeah I take that back. I don't have an unusually inclusive definition of beauty, these people are absolutely insane. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/truerateme/comments/kxdpdi/28f/ 

They rated this poor girl as a 6.5. To me I thought she was fairly attractive. Most of these girls on this reddit seem attractive to very attractive sooo yeah I'm 10000% the people rating these girls are incels who are projecting their own insecurities on women who look just fine. 

[ColeMC01]

@Recursoinominado The thing is that you do not need a lot of game as a good looking guy. Yeah you wont get 9s but you can get 7.5-8/10 which is pretty good. It is like comparing earning 6 figures to being a millionare.

[Elevated]

@ColeMC01 Stop wasting your mental energy making excuses for why it's harder for you. That's not the way to success in game. You are the hottest guy there and every woman would be ecstatic to meet you. Be so confident in yourself that the Chads wish they looked like you. 

 

[Recursoinominado]

9 minutes ago, ColeMC01 said:

but you can get 7.5-8/10 which is pretty good.

fuck pretty good, i want the best

[soos_mite_ah]

Also yall presentation is key. Sure part of presentation is your genetic looks but larger components of presentation include hygiene, the way you dress, the way you talk to a woman, and your level of confidence. 

I'm using a picture of bieber because I think this is a good example of what I'm talking about and it's easy to find pictures of him. He looks great on the left but on the right, he looks like a guy who would creep on a girl in the gas station in the middle of the night. IDK what happened to him between those couple of years but the guy looks like he has been through it. 

Edited January 15, 2021 by soos_mite_ah

[Hardkill]

17 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

When women get turned on by male stripper shows, it's not just the body. It's the emotional state the entire show puts her in. When girls go to male strip shows it's usually a pack of girls and they all drink and dance and get have fun together. This pumps up their state and then they get horny from that and want dick.

Pumping up her emotional state is the magic key. No woman will ever fuck you logically. If you cannot get her out of logic-mode, she will say No.

I see. So, male strippers seduce women primarily by their sexual and emotional charisma, especially when they are in an environment where the female audience is having fun together, drinking, and dancing.

So, then why do all of the male strippers fit, muscular, and young? Why aren't there successful male strippers who look old, weak, out of shape, and feminine?

[Forestluv]

1 hour ago, Bando said:

 Theres actually a whole subreddit dedicated to finding stuff like this out believe it or not, it's called TrueRateMe. In my opinion the place reeks of incel and Redpill culture but their template on rating looks is one perspective to think about if you're interested. 

The general gist is that in terms of facial aesthetics a 1-3 is  on the lower end end of the spectrum 4-6 is where most of society lands is 7 is your local hot chick or dude and 8-10 are model like status.

This is the Rank system they use for Men~ https://i.imgur.com/1EpSoNB.jpg

This is the Rank system they use for Women~ https://i.imgur.com/YlBqElb.png

And this is how they determine those metrics~ https://i.imgur.com/vA5AUfp.jpg

Seems like a good framework. Even though there is subjectivity, I think nearly everyone would agree about 5 pts of separation. For example, very few people would find a 3 more attractive than an 8 on that scale.

[Elevated]

@Hardkill He said, "it's not just the body."

[North Sea]

Step one of getting laid: realize that and why this forum is not the place to ask advice on how to get laid

[soos_mite_ah]

1 minute ago, Hardkill said:

So, then why do all of the male strippers fit, muscular, and young? Why aren't there successful male strippers who look old, weak, out of shape, and feminine?

Society that's why. The club is trying to appeal to a large number of women based on society's standards so they can get money. They aren't trying to appeal to individual women. 

You don't have to look like a male stripper to turn a woman on

[Axiomatic]

33 minutes ago, North Sea said:

Step one of getting laid: realize that and why this forum is not the place to ask advice on how to get laid

Truth. They are better off on Good Looking Loser

[Recursoinominado]

1 hour ago, soos_mite_ah said:

IDK what happened to him between those couple of years but the guy looks like he has been through it. 

He realized that his looks don't matter, his status/fame trumps everything.

[Hardkill]

1 hour ago, soos_mite_ah said:

Society that's why. The club is trying to appeal to a large number of women based on society's standards so they can get money. They aren't trying to appeal to individual women. 

You don't have to look like a male stripper to turn a woman on

So, would you say that the body of pro male stripper is appealing to a larger amount of women than that of say a dad bod?

[soos_mite_ah]

9 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

So, would you say that the body of pro male stripper is appealing to a larger amount of women than that of say a dad bod?

Honestly idk. I know a lot of people who hype up a dad bod. But then again, I don't know if a lot of guys with dad bods have the confidence to become a stripper. I have no idea what to answer tbh. 

But on the other hand I'm pretty sure the ideal for a guy isn't a girl who has the body of a female stripper. There is a lot of variability when it comes to what people find attractive even if society has one standard mold and expects everyone to align their tastes with that. 

[Gesundheit]

3 hours ago, Bando said:

@soos_mite_ah 

This is the Rank system they use for Women~ https://i.imgur.com/YlBqElb.png

Wow! That is interesting. According to the pictures, I would be fine with a 4 and above. But within the 6 to 9.5 range, I would disagree on the rating. Cuz to me it's kinda upside down.