How To Get Through A Stage In Spiral Dynamics?

[kurt]

1 hour ago, Orange said:

2) you are turquoise, so you understand there is nothing 'out there', everything is a label, including the label:' human species'

This is an indication of blue thinking,  not being able to discriminate between whats real and whats in your imagination.  Orange at east is aware that there is a subject / object duality and therefore are aware of facts vs fantasy.

Its easy to spot blue when you are aware of and have developed orange skills,  but blue cannot see its own projections, because it is not aware of them.  Its about education.  Nothing more

[kurt]

Im not sure how many more ways I can explain it, that these colours have an internal aspect, the model spiral dynamics is looking at the behaviours of this stage in its social context.

It's just one way to look at it.  But you must pass through the fantasy world of blue, the objective world of orange and the subjective world of green, otherwise you don't understand non dual reality (wholeness - integral) whatever you want to call it.

Agitated minds dont see the self reflected in the subtle body (subjective experience).  People who have financial worries cannot stay still long enough to inquire.  however, people who have mastered the cognitive and external skills of orange and who are comfortable are now free to inquire into the nature of reality.

 

[kurt]

The reason most people dont "get" enlightenment (enlightenment is a concept) is because they have not developed their thinking to the point of being able to recognize that everything is a concept, including "the world"

Its apparent, its not real.

LOL

 

[kurt]

@Orange

Why do you think there are so many charlatans in the spiritual world?  Speaking about ascended masters, astral projection, leaving the physical body and shit like that?

It's because of different interpretations of experience.  That is all blue thinking, and that is why most people don't become enlightened and you have all these scandals around the spiritual world.  

Most of it is bullshit.

enlightenment is the simple recognition (via your own experience) that the objects are not separate from you but you are not the objects.  This means you are not in conflict with the objects (because they no longer to appear to have something you dont) AND you don't suffer by mistaking yourself for any of the finite objects appearing to you.  

That's enlightenment, reality, non-duality.  

 

[Orange]

Ok