About psychedelic insights credibility

[Zoomy]

Hi,

I'm fairly new to Leo's content, but have already watched most of his videos.

Most of what he says in the videos makes sense to me, and I already feel a change in my consciousness.

I heard in the videos that psychedelics can accelerate the consciousness development process, and yield insights that can't be acquired otherwise,

but my question is:

How do we know that what we experience while using psychedelics is "the Truth"?,

How do we know that it's not just another illusion?,

Let's take 5Meo-DMT for example.

I hear that it produces very profound experiences, but what is our anchor of truth throughout the experience and after it?

[Leo Gura]

Two can play that game. Let's go!

How come you trust insights that are psychedelic-free?

How do you know anything as truth?

How do you know that your present logic is not just another illusion?

Buddy, Truth has no anchor. Truth is Infinity.

[James123]

@Zoomy psychedelics are good tools to increase ones current state of consciousness. But most likely, you can not be awaken by it. Because thought process still goes on with psychedelics. If “you” are “experiencing “ whatever you experience thats not the truth. 

@Leo Gura Because, enlightenment does not depend on personal experience nor belief, it is identical for everyone. Truth can not “be experienced”, can just “be”. Therefore identical for “everyone “ and doesn’t depend on experience or belief. 

34 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Buddy, Truth has no anchor. Truth is Infinity.

According to you, if someone never learn what infinite is, someone can never be awaken. Because even if you experience infinite, how can you know that what did “you” “experienced”? Thats not true. Meanwhile, awakening is completely not knowing or forgetting everything that you have learned. Which is identical for everyone. If you never learn (including “yourself “), you never born. Thats what death is, before birth is.

This is the so called matrix that “creation” of so called “thoughts and words”, and naming and labeling the “words and thoughts ”. Including naming and labeling as infinite to “infinite “, creation to “creation”,  thoughts to “thoughts “ and  words to “words”. 

Edited January 9, 2021 by James123

[Zoomy]

41 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Two can play that game. Let's go!

How come you trust insights that are psychedelic-free?

How do you know anything as truth?

How do you know that your present logic is not just another illusion?

Buddy, Truth has no anchor. Truth is Infinity.

I see.

I understand what you say in the intellectual sense, but I still can not fathom that even my everyday life,

and everything I think I know about reality, is just as valid as any psychedelic experience, and is just one of infinite aspects of the Truth.

I want to realize it, but I guess it can not be grasped intellectually, but must be experienced.

In the meantime, I'll have to get back to self-development and hope it hits me one day.

Thanks Leo 

Edited January 9, 2021 by Zoomy

[Leo Gura]

@Zoomy You cannot understand psychedelics without first doing them.

It's like trying to explain color to a blind person.

The consciousness you will experience on psychedelics will be orders of magnitude more truthful and more real than all of your life experience up to now.

Yes, it's hard to believe such a thing is possible. And yet it is. Try it and see for yourself. No need to believe me.

Don't forget that all of my claims are empirically testable.

[Nahm]

2 hours ago, Zoomy said:

How do we know

Knowingness is prior to, or, the very knowing of... the thought ‘we’. Check direct experience. 

Ever experienced a ‘we know’?

[James123]

@Nahm

22 hours ago, Nahm said:

Knowingness is prior to, or, the very knowing of... the thought ‘we’. Check direct experience. 

Ever experienced a ‘we know’?

??
“You” are like 

Edited January 10, 2021 by James123