Trump Supporters Storming The Capitol! - MAGA Coup Mega-Thread

[Danioover9000]

@Anderz

41 minutes ago, Anderz said:

What if Trump orchestrated the storming of the Capitol together with the U.S. intelligence community? The event looks very much staged to me, and I doubt that anybody actually was killed. Too scripted and controlled and absence of adequate response from law enforcement.

And the purpose is to bring troops into Washington, D.C. and then use those to arrest Biden. Well, that last part is speculative and I doubt that it will happen, but something about the whole event only makes sense to me if it's orchestrated by or at least coordinated with the intelligence community.

   While I can see that Trump had orchestrated and incited MAGA to storm the capital with his rhetoric, I don't think it's a high probability that he coordinated with the US intelligence community. What is the US intelligence community? Which part do you specifically see Trump coordinate with? FBI? CIA? Any other parts? Does the intelligence community even want to work with Trump? Is Trump limited to coordinating with just the intelligence community? What about MAGA? Or other fringe right-wing groups? Or other wealthy CEO business types? You see, Trump doesn't have to only lean on the intelligence community, so it doesn't make sense for you to limit this to them. What part of the event is scripted/controlled?

   Is that purpose only to arrest Biden, by troops? What about if the purpose of bringing in troops is to stop MAGA from storming the capital again?

[Arcangelo]

I always knew he was a troll. I called him out once, I remember.

[Danioover9000]

@Arcangelo

1 minute ago, Arcangelo said:

I always knew he was a troll. I called him out once, I remember.

   Wait, who is trolling?

[Arcangelo]

Right now? You.

[Danioover9000]

@Arcangelo

4 minutes ago, Arcangelo said:

Right now? You.

   Really? Can you show me where and how I'm trolling?

[Arcangelo]

LOL!

Edited January 18, 2021 by Arcangelo

[Hardkill]

56 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Anderz

   While I can see that Trump had orchestrated and incited MAGA to storm the capital with his rhetoric, I don't think it's a high probability that he coordinated with the US intelligence community. What is the US intelligence community? Which part do you specifically see Trump coordinate with? FBI? CIA? Any other parts? Does the intelligence community even want to work with Trump? Is Trump limited to coordinating with just the intelligence community? What about MAGA? Or other fringe right-wing groups? Or other wealthy CEO business types? You see, Trump doesn't have to only lean on the intelligence community, so it doesn't make sense for you to limit this to them. What part of the event is scripted/controlled?

   Is that purpose only to arrest Biden, by troops? What about if the purpose of bringing in troops is to stop MAGA from storming the capital again?

 

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

@Anderz Sorry, but I can't take this any more. Everything you post is a denial of basic reality. Banned.

Don't "flood the zone with shit" here.

I actually was just thinking of a crazy horrifying possibility which is that there may be a possibility that Trump may have either bought the loyalty of many of the soldiers that have been waiting at the Capitol or persuaded them to do his bidding no matter what because of how pervasive his toxic devilish rhetoric has been throughout the entire country. I mean what if there are actually a large amount of US military soldiers at the Capitol right now who are actually secret Trump loyalists and are there waiting until the Inauguration Day to immediately turn on Biden, Harris, their secret service bodyguards, etc.? I am not trying to troll or annoy anyone on here. I pray that I am wrong and that I am sounding very paranoid or that I am just worrying way too much. Maybe I've watched too many movies and shows like Game of Thrones where they have depicted such horrific scenarios like the kind that I am talking about. Does this all sound too idiotic or too insane?

 

 

[Ananta]

3 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Does this all sound too idiotic or too insane?

I don't mean any disrespect, but you really should turn off the news, stop reading this thread and go read a good non-political book until after Jan 20th.

Your driving yourself nuts it seems.

 

[Lyubov]

https://projects.propublica.org/parler-capitol-videos/

holy shit 

[No Self]

6 hours ago, Willie said:

That’s among the list of possible descriptions, sure. It’s not the one I’d choose.

It's not easy finding a description that both factions would agree upon. 

3 hours ago, Arcangelo said:

Yeah it's incredible how TV desensitize you. We are seeing people dying and we call it a show, season finale, etc... WTH?

It is perverse indeed. My comment refers to Trump's background as an entertainer, and the escalating drama that he has built into every stage of the shitshow that is now reaching a final crescendo as we speak. 'Elect a clown, expect a circus'; no truer words have been spoken. But an addendum: some clowns kill.

6 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

By getting caught up in the story, aren’t we missing the deeper dynamics at work?   

This is the conversation we need to be having.

In other words, most regular people are facing the same problems, such as financial hopelessness, but the right has managed to obfuscate debates about supporting the less fortunate with its anti-socialist battle cries, instead channeling people's rage into the current cult-of-personality extremist movement. (And the usual comment about social media algorithms heavily promoting right-wing extremism, despite ad hoc censorship, applies.)

When people are too stupid and gullible to vote in favour of their own interests, do they deserve what they get?

[Raphael]

57 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

I actually was just thinking of a crazy horrifying possibility which is that there may be a possibility that Trump may have either bought the loyalty of many of the soldiers that have been waiting at the Capitol or persuaded them to do his bidding no matter what because of how pervasive his toxic devilish rhetoric has been throughout the entire country. I mean what if there are actually a large amount of US military soldiers at the Capitol right now who are actually secret Trump loyalists and are there waiting until the Inauguration Day to immediately turn on Biden, Harris, their secret service bodyguards, etc.? I am not trying to troll or annoy anyone on here. I pray that I am wrong and that I am sounding very paranoid or that I am just worrying way too much. Maybe I've watched too many movies and shows like Game of Thrones where they have depicted such horrific scenarios like the kind that I am talking about. Does this all sound too idiotic or too insane?

Looks like some left wing conspiracy theory. I don't think it will happen, Trump is done.

[Thewritersunion]

I hereby claim Trump to be cringe 

 

 

ps: it’s a medical diagnosis 

[Klaudia]

The most prominent factor of the event is the conspiracy theory QAnon. It's unbelievable how wide-spread this craze is.  It is a possibility that for a long time Trump had no interest in this ideology. But when losing the election became a possibility in his head he decided to jump on the QAnon train - having no better idea, in deep desperation and fully taking advantage of. 

What is happening these days is so much bigger than Trump. Trump is just a fraction of it. It's about humanity's journey through globalization, the widespread of free speech, and the loss of trust in authority.  It has also a lot to do with the new ways of human communication (social media ) during the isolation of a global pandemic. It's really big. Toxic ideologies bloom everywhere around the world these days. Just look at Europe. 

We humans have a lot to figure out in the next couple of years. 

Edited January 18, 2021 by Klaudia

[mmKay]

 

[trenton]

3 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

 

Wow.  Those police officers did nothing.  It is completely fair to say BLM would have been treated worse.  There is an obvious double standard with some police even though most of them were actually overwhelmed by the attackers.  

[Blackhawk]

5 minutes ago, trenton said:

Wow.  Those police officers did nothing.  It is completely fair to say BLM would have been treated worse.  There is an obvious double standard with some police even though most of them were actually overwhelmed by the attackers.  

That officer was hopelessly outnumbered. So if he had done something they would've immediately ripped him to pieces.

Or he could've shot them but that would've been bad.

And also you should watch the full version of that video to get a better picture over the situation.

[DocWatts]

27 minutes ago, Blackhawk said:

That officer was hopelessly outnumbered. So if he had done something they would've immediately ripped him to pieces.

Or he could've shot them but that would've been bad.

And also you should watch the full version of that video to get a better picture over the situation.

That's less on the individual officers, who were going to have difficulties doing thier job under those circumstances, and more on institutional biases within the Capitol Hill Police for not taking the threat of MAGA violence seriously, and negligently failing to take steps to prepare for an obvious threat.

Edited January 18, 2021 by DocWatts

[Leo Gura]

53 minutes ago, trenton said:

Wow.  Those police officers did nothing.  It is completely fair to say BLM would have been treated worse.  There is an obvious double standard with some police even though most of them were actually overwhelmed by the attackers.  

Be careful with your generalizations. The police did not do nothing. That video shows one cop -- who seems to have been MAGA sympathetic. This does not mean all, or even most, of the police were. Most police did not do that, they fought off MAGA while they could.

What you're doing with police here is the same as if you saw one black guy in the Capitol and then concluded: "All black guys are traitors." No. Just that one guy is.

[Blackhawk]

32 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Be careful with your generalizations. The police did not do nothing. That video shows one cop -- who seems to have been MAGA sympathetic. This does not mean all, or even most, of the police were. Most police did not do that, they fought off MAGA while they could.

What you're doing with police here is the same as if you saw one black guy in the Capitol and then concluded: "All black guys are traitors." No. Just that one guy is.

From 6:17.

He told them to leave several times.

I'm not sure he was a MAGA sympathetic.

[DocWatts]

While Institutional failings here can and should be criticized and investigated, let's also give due credit to the professionalism and integrity of individual Officers like Eugene Goodman, who kept things from potentially becoming much worse under incredibly difficult circumstances. Someone well deserving of the Congressional Honors he received.

Goes to show that cops, just like anyone else, aren't one monolithic group, and for every Cop who sympathizes with White Supremacists, you'll also have people like this, and many more in between.
 

 

Edited January 18, 2021 by DocWatts