Trump Supporters Storming The Capitol! - MAGA Coup Mega-Thread

[Jennjenn]

2 hours ago, abrakamowse said:

 

These government officials keep feeding the delusion of the mob. It’s outrageously irresponsible. They should all resign or be removed. This has gone too far. 

Edited January 10, 2021 by Jennjenn

[Jennjenn]

1 hour ago, Hatfort said:

He should be impeached or processed for this, the sooner, the better

Yes. Trump should be removed from office,  and all the others who contributed to the lie should be removed and prosecuted as well. 

[abrakamowse]

54 minutes ago, Jennjenn said:

These government officials keep feeding the delusion of the mob. It’s outrageously irresponsible. They should all resign or be removed. This has gone too far. 

It’s crazy. Like Leo said, it’s a cancer of the mind.

[Jodistrict]

Trump has been fabricating facts for 4 years ultimately producing his biggest fabrication of a stolen election.  Truth is important, and ignoring the truth leads to violence.  In the 1960s, the Supreme Court was dominated by free speech absolutists and they went too far in opening the range of permitted speech to include freedom for irresponsible and false speech.  There was no social media in the 1960s, and the laws have to be adjusted to take into account the new technology.  Truth is more important than freedom of speech.   False speech is not protected.  You can still be sued for defamation of character if the facts are false.   Social media actors who fabricate false information to destabilize the government and incite violence should be criminalized.  Banning them from social media won’t work because the Internet is a distributed architecture that can't be controlled and they can just create new platforms.  

[Reciprocality]

All speech ought be protected on public ground, except within cetain institutions and situations however narrow those exeptions may be. : )

[Consept]

38 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

Trump has been fabricating facts for 4 years ultimately producing his biggest fabrication of a stolen election.  Truth is important, and ignoring the truth leads to violence.  In the 1960s, the Supreme Court was dominated by free speech absolutists and they went too far in opening the range of permitted speech to include freedom for irresponsible and false speech.  There was no social media in the 1960s, and the laws have to be adjusted to take into account the new technology.  Truth is more important than freedom of speech.   False speech is not protected.  You can still be sued for defamation of character if the facts are false.   Social media actors who fabricate false information to destabilize the government and incite violence should be criminalized.  Banning them from social media won’t work because the Internet is a distributed architecture that can't be controlled and they can just create new platforms.  

Thing is free speech in principle could work if you didn't have bad actors deliberately muddying the waters and pushing the limits of it to destabilise and create chaos. The other issue is true believers of some potentially harmful ideology and its really hard to draw lines here because what could be classed as harmful? Maybe every dogmatic belief to some extent 

[Jennjenn]

52 minutes ago, abrakamowse said:

It’s crazy. Like Leo said, it’s a cancer of the mind.

Yeap. They caught the MAGA virus. 

[Reciprocality]

Out of a hundred progressive policies one may commit oneself to believing, free speech is that which secures the potential of all the rest.

Thus, one may say: it is the most important progressive one. : )

 

It is the power of the people, the masses. The singular most important one against tyranny, one which you Americans should be very wary of tossing in the bin, be you anywhere on a progressive spectrum. 

[Leo Gura]

It's important to stress that not all conservatives are MAGA. There are some decent conservatives who don't get fooled by MAGA.

[Tim R]

4 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Vaush goes too far time time, denying the existence of wisdom within Conservatism

Definitely. To say that he doesn't think conservatives in the US are any different from the KKK just shows his own deep ignorance.

That's no better than being a radical ideologue who doesn't care to think.

[Rilles]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

It's important to stress that not all conservatives are MAGA. There are some decent conservatives who don't get fooled by MAGA.

Who are some conservatives you find healthy? Doesnt have to be American or alive. 

[Tim R]

Just now, Rilles said:

Who are some conservatives you find healthy? Doesnt have to be American or alive. 

Bro they aren't like white peacocks, you an find them basically anywhere. As Leo said, not every conservative gets fooled by MAGA. 

[Danioover9000]

@Husseinisdoingfine

12 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Vaush goes too far time time, denying the existence of wisdom within Conservatism

 

   Vaush is just an ignorant socio-libertarian that thinks all conservatives are MEGA. People like this is what allows MEGA to hide behind conservatives, when some conservatives actually see MEGA bullshit a miles away. He's so steep in libertarian nonsense that he really is a mini Trump himself, deluding his followers along the way. Fucking pathetic. 

   And smaller government would solve all Nazi cult groups from not emerging?

Edited January 10, 2021 by Danioover9000

[Rilles]

2 minutes ago, Tim R said:

Bro they aren't like white peacocks, you an find them basically anywhere. As Leo said, not every conservative gets fooled by MAGA. 

I dont know man.... healthy Conservative seems to be an oxymoron... But I'm willing to keep an open mind. 

[Danioover9000]

@Tim R

8 minutes ago, Tim R said:

Definitely. To say that he doesn't think conservatives in the US are any different from the KKK just shows his own deep ignorance.

That's no better than being a radical ideologue who doesn't care to think.

   He's too far gone with libertard mind virus, there's no saving Vaush from his deep ignorance.

[Tim R]

7 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

   He's too far gone with libertard mind virus, there's no saving Vaush from his deep ignorance.

His life is based on being this way. Unless he gets out of his bubble, you're right, he won't be saved. But why should he bother? The country is deeply split and polarized, many folks, including him, leech off this. 

[Hardkill]

What do you guys think about what this article says about having a real electoral commission to look into the 2020 election in order to restore faith in our elections and democracy?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/01/06/2020-election-mistrust-commission-prove-or-disprove-fraud-column/4132191001/

 

[Jodistrict]

1 hour ago, Reciprocality said:

All speech ought be protected on public ground, except within cetain institutions and situations however narrow those exeptions may be. : )

If someone libels or slanders another on public ground or anywhere else, it is not protected speech.  If you falsely cry fire in a building, it is not protected.  False speech can be regulated.  

[Sempiternity]

Beautiful message from Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger

 

 

[Tim R]

15 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

What do you guys think about what this article says about having a real electoral commission to look into the 2020 election in order to restore faith in our elections and democracy?

At this point I feel that it almost doesn't matter who says what - because people will take sides; are you rep or are you dem? And then most people will simply dismiss whatever the other side has to say (even more so the current republican side for obvious reasons), even if a commission is established, MAGA supporters will not accept that Trump lost. No of conclusive proof or information will satisfy them.

Every reasonable person thinks critically (of this election), of course - but the system is to be trusted, otherwise: why bother having one? 

Unreasonable people won't be persuaded though, and no commission will change that. Those who never trusted in elections and/or democracy are in a real dilemma: if elections are rigged, then the outcome is rigged no matter who wins, and if democracy isn't to be trusted - why are you still here then?

 

Edited January 10, 2021 by Tim R