Trump Supporters Storming The Capitol! - MAGA Coup Mega-Thread

[Reciprocality]

14 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If I catch anyone on here claiming that Nazis were left-wing you will be banned for gross stupidity.

I believe their economic policy were within a socialist framwork, just like that of the US today, socialism for the rich ofcourse. But the immidiate power-structure is quite alike, only the ends are hardly justified, aswell as impossibly sustainable. (that one serving the wealthy that is)

If however one is to argue that indeed it is right wing, then i for one will have a hard time arguing that free-market capitalism is aswell, seeing their structural divergencies.

[Danioover9000]

@Husseinisdoingfine

10 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

I had recently finish reading Mein Kampf actually.

In the Nazi ideology, Communism is not a legitimate working class movement, but rather a Jewish plot. They also tend to believe that Capitalism and Communism/Socialism are both the same sides of the (Jewish) coin.

Very sad that ignorant young people who don’t have community or associations in their lives are turning to these ideologies. 
 

When you don’t have community, you will find an unhealthy community as that is what your lizard brain demands, this is why PURPLE is so important.

   I hope you mean healthy purple, because purple/red is what made Nazism possible.

   Communism was a threat to traditional format of the establishment, they're anti-establishment, which is why most Nazis, including Hitler, were horrified about Russia's expansion, for example, how women under communism were allowed to be independent and work for themselves.

   

   

[Danioover9000]

@DocWatts

34 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

The Trump presidency was like that alternate timeline in Back to to the Future where Biff found the Sports Almanac...

As far as Joe Rogan, the amount of respect I've had for the guy has been plummeting over the past year or two. I'm all for having a dialog with diverse political voices, but the fact that he can't see the harm of giving a platform to someone like Alex Jones is troubling... That and the false equivalencies he sometimes draws between Biden and Trump, and some of the Conspiracies over Covid he's been parroting... And thing is this is probably more on me for not being cognizant to this aspect of Rogan's personality earlier, as I don't think he's substantially changed over the past few years so much as the world has changed, and some of the problematic aspects of Rogan are more readily apparent...

   To be fair, anyone who's willing to take the opportunity to campaign during Obama's administration moments of limitations is anyone's opportunity to take, if they had the right set of skills to leverage the masses. Trump was interested, but he could've just continued elsewhere, meanwhile people were more fed up of Obama taking 8 years to keep most of his promises. He can't even bring himself to condemn that Michigan mayor for fucking up Flint's water supplies, for Christ sake! And follows that up with sending in troops into Flint for 'training', my god.

   Don't get me started on Joe Rogen! He can't even be objective and partial when discussion turns to martial arts, and MMA. He's so biased that he'll defend MMA to the death, when it's clear that other Martial arts systems that deal crippling blows and lethal strikes to kill, can fuck up an MMA fighter anytime outside the baby cradle of the octagon cage!

[Rilles]

27 minutes ago, Reciprocality said:

I believe their economic policy were within a socialist framwork, just like that of the US today, socialism for the rich ofcourse.

No.

But the immidiate power-structure is quite alike, only the ends are hardly justified, aswell as impossibly sustainable. (that one serving the wealthy that is)

Dictatorships can be both right-wing and left-wing. Nazi Germany was a right-wing dictatorship.

If however one is to argue that indeed it is right wing, then i for one will have a hard time arguing that free-market capitalism is aswell, seeing their structural divergencies.

Free-market capitalism/libertarianism is indeed right-wing. Difference is Hitlers was highly authoritarian but they are both right-wing. Libertarians want less government.

As Wolff said jokingly said "Socialism is when the government does stuff" 

Which is of course absurd hence why its a joke. Both right and left can have overpowering government.

 

Edited January 10, 2021 by Rilles

[DocWatts]

14 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Husseinisdoingfine

   I hope you mean healthy purple, because purple/red is what made Nazism possible.

   Communism was a threat to traditional format of the establishment, they're anti-establishment, which is why most Nazis, including Hitler, were horrified about Russia's expansion, for example, how women under communism were allowed to be independent and work for themselves.

I wouldn't try to oversell to the Liberation of Women under the Soviet regime. In practice what it meant was that women could do manual labor alongside men under a repressive political regime. As far as women rising to positions of authority , the Soviet Union never had a female General Secretary, and most of the regional Party Bosses and Politburo members were men.

I'll grant that women had more opportunities than they would have under a fascist regime, but that's not a very high bar.

Edited January 10, 2021 by DocWatts

[Danioover9000]

@Preety_India

9 hours ago, Preety_India said:

@Husseinisdoingfine @DocWatts  @Lyubov

Comment please. 

 

   He wanted to leverage support from Christian communities, but as far as I know Hitler wasn't Christian, and was aiming for Germany to establish Paganism as the new religion.

[Yog]

Socialist Bulgaria had women work as brick layers and construction workers.

NS Germany had the KKK - "Kinder, Küche, Kirche", or "children, kitchen, church" concept for what women are obligated to do.

Idk which one is more disturbing.

[Danioover9000]

@Etherial Cat

3 hours ago, Etherial Cat said:

Leninism and Stalinism were two attempt at Marxism. The Nazi hated communism and socialism.

I think a lot of people throw them in a bucket together because of how terrible it was at respecting what we call today human rights and because they had a strong leaders. But they are all significantly different.

   I think they felt threatened that the traditional structure the Nazi's envisioned would be destroyed when Stalin would invade Germany, sooner or later.

[Danioover9000]

@Yog

4 minutes ago, Yog said:

Socialist Bulgaria had women work as brick layers and construction workers.

NS Germany had the KKK - "Kinder, Küche, Kirche", or "children, kitchen, church" concept for what women are obligated to do.

Idk which one is more disturbing.

   I think that Nazi's had a more traditional view in their metaphysical background, so when Hitler saw what women were doing under communism, his image of women who are wives, working at the kitchens, baking bread, whatever the image of traditional women roles, was being threatened by communism.

   It seems Nazism is not just a cult, ethnic nationalist ideology, but also had elements of Patriarchy in it.

   Both NS Germany and communism are disturbing, like married sociopaths.

Edited January 10, 2021 by Danioover9000

[abrakamowse]

 

[Danioover9000]

@Reciprocality

45 minutes ago, Reciprocality said:

I believe their economic policy were within a socialist framwork, just like that of the US today, socialism for the rich ofcourse. But the immidiate power-structure is quite alike, only the ends are hardly justified, aswell as impossibly sustainable. (that one serving the wealthy that is)

If however one is to argue that indeed it is right wing, then i for one will have a hard time arguing that free-market capitalism is aswell, seeing their structural divergencies.

   For sure, in terms of economy, they were proto-socialistic. MAGA and, maybe other radical ideologies under the radar, are the only ones very similar to Nazism.

   Could you explain why free market isn't right-wing?

[Danioover9000]

@Rilles

4 hours ago, Rilles said:

There is no confusion. Its a deliberate tactic from Right-Wingers that cant own up to the fact that their ideology is related to Hitlers so they muddy the waters. Ego is clever that way. Atleast I'll admit Stalin was a POS even though Im pretty Leftish.  

   The People's Republic in China is one example of an ideology taking on socialism as a cover.

   While  know that dictators generally are right, what about dictators that're on the left?

[Rilles]

2 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Rilles

 While  know that dictators generally are right, what about dictators that're on the left?

I dont understand the question.

[Danioover9000]

@DocWatts

25 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

I wouldn't try to oversell to the Liberation of Women under the Soviet regime. In practice what it meant was that women could do manual labor alongside men under a repressive political regime. As far as women rising to positions of authority , the Soviet Union never had a female General Secretary, and most of the regional Party Bosses and Politburo members were men.

I'll grant that women had more opportunities than they would have under a fascist regime, but that's not a very high bar.

   Do you think it's mainly because the Nazis had a more traditional view of women? 

[Danioover9000]

@Rilles

7 minutes ago, Rilles said:

I dont understand the question.

   Like Stalin, for example. He was a dictator, yet under the cover with Communism.

[abrakamowse]

Dictators use any framework to be dictators. There’s some on the left, some on the right and some in the middle. 
 

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[DocWatts]

23 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@DocWatts

   Do you think it's mainly because the Nazis had a more traditional view of women? 

Yes, and that's going to be generally true for all Reactionary ideologies which long for an idealized past, defend a rigid social hierarchy built around ethnicity and gender, and who view society as groups fighting against groups.

[Reciprocality]

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Reciprocality

Could you explain why free market isn't right-wing?

@Danioover9000 It is, i believe. But if i were to concede that corporate socialism is right wing it would follow, due to their extreme divergencies that free-market capitalism is not.

It is not obvious that there is a bigger difference between Corporate Socialism as enacted in the U. S. and lets say Scandic Social Democracy, than there is between a free-market model and the U. S today. 

If we ought be, i claim: rational in our argumentation we neccesarily needs give such a free market model some moderation on its own, as is given to the premise regarding the left as a Nordic Model.

Where to strike the boundraries of such 'moderation' is surely not a simple task, but i hope it serves the conversation more then a mere begging of questions.

Edited January 10, 2021 by Reciprocality
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[Hatfort]

If someone would have stolen an election, I don't care which side, protests would have been in fact legit.

The thing is, Biden won, there is no evidence of fraud and there is evidence that it has been a clean election. There is room for improvements, but votes were counted normally and the result was neat. No judge could accept any of his allegations or objections about the process as valid or significant to the results.

If someone is trying to steal the election, that's Trump. He had nothing to back his position up, and there he is, claiming that he has won and that the election has been stolen from him. What he has done has been a threat to democracy, unprecedented in US history. His party members have not been up to the situation either, as many of the loud media propagandists, but this last was expected. The MAGA mob that attacked the Capitol should respond for their actions, protesting is one thing, entering by force an official democratic institution is another, and the clash caused victims. But the chain of responsibility clearly ends up at the very top, this wouldn't have happened if Trump had not insisted on a victory that never belonged to him.

I never thought Trump had a chance to repeat as president, he didn't have the votes, no judge could accept his baseless claims, too much stretching for most media, and the military has not backed him either, which would have been a crazy last resort. He should be impeached or processed for this, the sooner, the better.

[abrakamowse]

@Hatfort ??????????