Trump Supporters Storming The Capitol! - MAGA Coup Mega-Thread

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Anderz said:

I'm starting to suspect that Trump is a traitor, not to the nation, but to his followers.

Trump is a traitor to his nation, to his followers, to his friends, to his business partners, to the bankers who loan him money, to his wives, to his children and family, to the human species, and to his God-Self.

That's what a narcissist is. That's how extreme ego behaves.

[abrakamowse]

Even his wife doesn't want to hold his hand...

[Danioover9000]

@Frylock

On 1/8/2021 at 5:43 PM, Frylock said:

They're both highly skilled at riling up the prejudices of the common working class citizens and scapegoating others for any and all socioeconomic issues.

That's about it though. I would say that Hitler was more war hungry and competent, but at that point in history it was easier for someone with his ideals to hijack a country and cause a global war.

   Both do have comparable skills with using rhetoric to pull crowds into their favor, I can see that.

   However, Unlike Donald Trump, Hitler had more incentive to become a leader of Germany, because at that time most of their economy was tied to the USA, and when the USA experienced the recessions, that too impacted most of Germany's economy, along with having to pay off total debts owed to countries they damaged during WW1 and having hyper inflation. Also, unlike Trump, Hitler was more self-centered and came from a middle class background, had an older brother, Edmund Hitler, who died and Hitler hadn't properly processed his grief. He also had a father, who died when hitler was around 7 years old, and never really received discipline until he later enters the military in the future. He loved his mother more so than his father, so when she later died from breast cancer, this impacted him more than other deaths. Unlike Trump, Hitler also served his country in the army, and survived the WW1.

   I'm not too sure about this difference, but the difference in ideology pick-up between Trump and Hitler is that Hitler blamed the Jews for not helping Germany post WW1, as to him they are very tight fisted around not just jewelry, but also commodities like food, and wouldn't lower the prices down. Trump's was more in his up-bringing and business environment, and from his narcissistic father.  

   Both are the same, in that they had fallen victim to ideologies.

   A few questions: How are Trump and Hitler the same in their scapegoating? Due to the vast difference in economy then and now, I don't think they're identical to how they manipulate the crowds, as Trump's situation and America today were far better off than the majority of Germans post WW1.

   Technically speaking, are both the same in terms of political ideology? If I'm not mistaken, Hitler's political position, after WW1, in comparison to the traditionalists running Germany at that time, Hitler's new party was more left and radical compared to the traditionalists in establishment at that time. Meanwhile, Trump's political position, is more right from his up-bringing, but in all honest Trump is so narcissistic and manipulative that if it's convenient, I can actually see him betraying whatever party he's on. I don't see the same thing for Hitler.

   Fun fact: During Hitler's reign, desite the holocaust taking place, he spared a jewish doctor and his family, because the doctor happened to be the one who was treating his mother. 

Edited January 9, 2021 by Danioover9000

[Danioover9000]

@soos_mite_ah

On 1/8/2021 at 8:04 PM, soos_mite_ah said:

Thank you so much for this detailed comparison. I found it really interesting Recently I have been getting intrigued with extreme cases like this and the psychology behind them. Especially with Trump. He is such a petri dish of issues and a dumpster fire of neurosis to where he is like a horrific car crash that you can't turn away from. I'm planning on reading more into him as a person after he isn't president and I don't see him on the news every day, ya know for my own sanity. But yeah super fascinating!!! It's like studying a science experiment of an ego go horribly wrong in every possible way. 

   Your welcome. Most of the comparisons came from my critical thinking, Wikipedia and videos on biography and history.

[North Sea]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Trump is a traitor to his nation, to his followers, to his friends, to his business partners, to the bankers who loan him money, to his wives, to his children and family, to the human species, and to his God-Self.

That's what a narcissist is. That's how extreme ego behaves.

I agree but can you truly say that he is a traitor to his God self, I thought you said God has to experience all of itself because its all equally good

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

20 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Such gaslighting bullshit from this guy. Lost all his credibility.

This is the problem with humor, sarcasm, and being too cute. It easily becomes an ego-defense mechanism.

   He was using sarcastic in the video, humour to lighten the seriousness of the entire situation. 

   Where in the video was he gaslighting bullshit? 

[abrakamowse]

@North Sea God is experiencing all of himself in the sense that he is experiencing what is being Donald Trump too. He also is experiencing what is to be a traitor to his true self, by forgetting what he is.

That's the only way he can experience everything, he has to forget what or who he is to be that "separated" thing.

Edited January 9, 2021 by abrakamowse

[Danioover9000]

@North Sea

26 minutes ago, North Sea said:

I agree but can you truly say that he is a traitor to his God self, I thought you said God has to experience all of itself because its all equally good

   Narcissists are born, too deluded to do any spiritual work to realize No-self or other realizations. Also, you're right, that God has to experience all of itself, including being a traitor.

   However, that's spiritual stuff and not politics. Let's keep it at politics and society, and not muddle these issues by bringing spirituality in this discussion?

Edited January 9, 2021 by Danioover9000

[Leo Gura]

29 minutes ago, North Sea said:

I agree but can you truly say that he is a traitor to his God self, I thought you said God has to experience all of itself because its all equally good

Well, this is a tricky and strange-loopy point because the snake has to eat its own tail in the end.

But I would make the case that he is a traitor to his God-Self in the sense that he has given up on caring about truth. He's just being purely egotistical. Of course you can then make the counter-point that God wants to experience pure egotism. Well, of course that's true too. God wants to experience what it's like to be not-God. And in Trump's case God is playing that out to the hilt

19 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Leo Gura

   He was using sarcastic in the video, humour to lighten the seriousness of the entire situation. 

   Where in the video was he gaslighting bullshit? 

He was being sarcastic in the opposite direction. That video is a defense of MAGA and a critique of people who are outraged over MAGA.

Watch it again. It's pure gaslighting horse shit. He's not making fun of MAGA, he's making fun of the people he thinks are overreacting to MAGA. He is framing MAGA as censored and misunderstood. It's just gross.

[trenton]

15 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It needs to be said that Alex Jones also bears a huge responsibility for this. He has blood on his hands and people like Joe Rogan are stupid enough to still think that Alex Jones is cute and innocent, allowing him a platform.

Alex Jones has brainwashed many of the hardest-core MAGA guys with his outrageous conspiracy theories and paranoia.

It also needs to be said that Joe Rogan is an idiot for complaining about Biden not being fit for office. Rogan's assessment of Trump's danger is way off. He thinks Biden is more dangerous than Trump because Biden sometimes has some cognitive slowness. But Biden is a saint compared to Trump.

All of the people who create false equivalences between the left and right need to be slapped across the face.

I would like to know how call it when one side is clearly better.  If I say Trump is clearly far worse than Biden, I will sound biased in this judgement.  People will tell you that you are the biased one.  Is it possible to not sound biased in these conclusions in spite of all of the false equivalences being drawn?

[Anderz]

But what about all voting fraud claims? Many of the lawsuits have been dismissed not because of lack of evidence, but because the courts don't even want to touch them and claim lack of standing and dismiss them before even looking at any claims. Is Trump a deep state puppet? Put into office to almost expose the voting fraud and then blow himself up like an ISIS suicide bomber by staging his own jumping the shark event? And thereby preventing any voting fraud from ever being discussed or mentioned again. Looks to me that Trump is actually protecting the Democrats by this reverse psychology stunt of his.

[Hatfort]

I expected Trump to be that irresponsible not to concede, but I didn't expect the overwhelming majority of Republican politicians to be so coward not to speak up and clearly say that his candidate lost and that there has not been any voter fraud in such a long time. What we've seen the other day is a consequence of that.

A considerable part of Trump's followers truly believe that the election was stolen from them, they believe every word his leader tells them. In their head, they are saving democracy, although they really are doing the opposite, they are trying to put someone in office without winning an election. It's madness, it's a shame.

Trump will be held responsible for this in history because he is. I don't know to what extent he could be legally held for this now.

Edited January 9, 2021 by Hatfort

[abrakamowse]

7 minutes ago, Anderz said:

Many of the lawsuits have been dismissed not because of lack of evidence

They were dismissed because the evidence they presented was pure bullshit and blah blah blah... it was just hearsay, not actual evidence of fraud.

[Danioover9000]

   Another difference between Adolf Hitler and Trump is that Trump never had earlier ambitions to rule America, mostly just to be ahead of other business owners, while Hitler was involved with the party called the 'National Socialist movement'. Why do people makes these political comparisons between Trump and Hitler, when historically he was involved in a left-wing movement while currently Trump's involved in a right-wing movement?

[Danioover9000]

@Hatfort

7 minutes ago, Hatfort said:

I expected Trump to be that irresponsible not to concede, but I didn't expect the overwhelming majority of Republican politicians to be so coward not to speak up and clearly say that his candidate lost and that there has not been any voter fraud in such a long time. What we've seen the other day is a consequence of that.

A considerable part of Trump's followers truly believe that the election was stolen from them, they believe every word his leader tells them. In their head, they are saving democracy, although they really are doing the opposite, they are trying to put someone in office without winning an election. It's madness, it's a shame.

Trump will be held responsible for this in history because he is. I don't know to what extent he could be legally held for this.

   Future Historians will have a field day reviewing Trump and his administration. 

[Forestluv]

27 minutes ago, Anderz said:

But what about all voting fraud claims? Many of the lawsuits have been dismissed not because of lack of evidence, but because the courts don't even want to touch them and claim lack of standing and dismiss them before even looking at any claims.

Trump lost 60 court cases due to lack of evidence. Other cases were considered and dismissed due to baseless conspiracy theories. Trump’s team also tried to take the cases to the wrong courts. For example, the state of Pennsylvania had already ruled against Trump’s claims and the state of Texas then tried to sue the state of Pennsylvania. Texas lacks standing to do that. 

Trump-appointed judges, Trump’s justice department, Republican state election officials, Republican cyber security officials and Republican governors that voted for Trump unanimously agreed that there was no widespread fraud. As well, Trump’s own law firms dumped him because the claims were frivolous. 

Of course there were isolated incidents of fraud, as there is in every election. No election is 100% fraud-free. Yet all Republican election officials, Republican justice officials and Republican-appointed judges all free there was no widespread fraud. One would need to create a conspiracy theory to believe all the Republican officials were against Trump.

As well, many republicans won elections on the exact same ballots that Trump claims are fraudulent. 

[DocWatts]

9 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

   Another difference between Adolf Hitler and Trump is that Trump never had earlier ambitions to rule America, mostly just to be ahead of other business owners, while Hitler was involved with the party called the 'National Socialist movement'. Why do people makes these political comparisons between Trump and Hitler, when historically he was involved in a left-wing movement while currently Trump's involved in a right-wing movement?

Hitler was in no way, shape or form a Leftist. This is a profound misunderstanding of literally everything about Hitler and the Nazis. The Socialist part of National Socialism was there purely for marketing, the same way that the world Republic is used in The People's Republic of China. The reason for this is because Socialist Parties were popular at the time, and the Nazis cynically used this in their bid to rise to power and then end Democracy.

The number of people with no knowledge of history who believe that Hitler was a Leftist is stupefying.

Edited January 9, 2021 by DocWatts

[abrakamowse]

8 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

Hitler, when historically he was involved in a left-wing movement

That's a big mistake, because it had the name "socialist" in it, that didn't mean it was socialist. I noticed that big error in various Americans who think that's right.

It is not, the Nazi party had nothing to do with real socialism.

[Anderz]

@abrakamowse I have seen a lot of what seems to be credible evidence of massive voting fraud such as large statistical anomalies and William Binney said that there were far more votes than registered voters and articles confirming his claim. Was there massive voting fraud? I don't know, but I would like to see more investigations into it.

[abrakamowse]

2 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

The number of people with no knowledge of history who believe that Hitler was a Leftist is stupefying.

Totally agree...