Trump Supporters Storming The Capitol! - MAGA Coup Mega-Thread

[AtheisticNonduality]

29 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

Mitch is a total buffoon who has only fueled and allowed for this to happen 

Also true.

@abundance Hasta la vista, my little Blue friend. One day soon, you will reincarnate as a hippie girl at CHAZ.

[abrakamowse]

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, AtheisticNonduality said:

Also, the Stage Blue rioters fighting the Stage Blue police was one of those moments of pure hypocrisy.

Just to be fair, those progressives calling to defund/disban the police are also hypocrites and fools. Today TYT is yelling about why the police didn't show up sooner. Talk about hypocrisy.

If you defund the police, how are they gonna protect you from an armed MAGA coup?

Police need to be well-funded and well-armed. But also well-trained.

The progressive slogan to defund the police is probably the clearest example of stage Green stupidity. I understand that they mostly mean to reallocate funds to social work and the like, but a social worker is not gonna stop a crowd of MAGA idiots. That slogan -- defund the police -- is like political suicide.

[abrakamowse]

@Leo Gura Obama talked about not using that slogan. Right?

[abrakamowse]

He was really criticized for it. I just googled it...

[Emerald]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Just to be fair, those progressives calling to defund/disban the police are also hypocrites and fools. Today TYT is yelling about why the police didn't show up sooner. Talk about hypocrisy.

If you defund the police, how are they gonna protect you from an armed MAGA coup?

Police need to be well-funded and well-armed. But also well-trained.

The progressive slogan to defund the police is probably the clearest example of stage Green stupidity.

To be clear, defunding the police makes total sense, as there is too much money going into policing things that don't need to be policed.

So, it just means cutting down on over-policing. In fact, quite a lot of CARES act funds were given to police departments, even though they were supposed to be for Covid relief.

It's the same argument as cutting the military budget. It's over-inflated, so we should cut it and reallocate those funds to other things.

But the private prison industry, won't stand for cutting down on policing because incarceration is good business for them. The more beds they fill in the penitentiary, the more tax payer dollars go into the private prison owner's pocket.

The military industrial complex also won't stand for the cutting down on the military budget. As long as they can keep buying off politicians who keep us in perpetual warfare, they can keep making "defense" materials... and keep getting access to the giant pot of taxpayer dollars.

Honestly, they could bury all the planes they make... it doesn't matter. The owners of the industry make a ton of money from taxpayers and the politicians get a cut of it. That's all they care about. The perpetual offensive warfare is mostly to make the average person okay with so much of their money going to "defense". 

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, abrakamowse said:

@Leo Gura Obama talked about not using that slogan. Right?

Cause Obama has good wisdom.

4 minutes ago, abrakamowse said:

He was really criticized for it. I just googled it...

Of course, because radicals don't like any moderation.

[DocWatts]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Just to be fair, those progressives calling to defund/disban the police are also hypocrites and fools. Today TYT is yelling about why the police didn't show up sooner. Talk about hypocrisy.

If you defund the police, how are they gonna protect you from an armed MAGA coup?

Police need to be well-funded and well-armed. But also well-trained.

The progressive slogan to defund the police is probably the clearest example of stage Green stupidity. I understand that they mean allocate funds to social work and the like, but a social worker is not gonna stop a crowd of MAGA idiots.

I'll agree that the marketing and optics could have been handled better, but defunding bloated police budgets in favor of chronically underfunded Social Services is not the same thing as advocating for abolition of the Police (though right wingers will of course try to spin it that way as a fear tactic).

The FBI has been warning for years that far right extremist groups have been making inroads into police departments across the country. The restraint with which the police have responded to white militants storming the capital building  (and closer to home, for armed Trumpists storming into the Michigan Capital building earlier this year), vs the numerous violent responses of police to the largely peaceful BlackLivesMatter protesters is perfect evidence of this.

Perhaps #DemilitarizeThePolice might have been a better marketing slogan, but having a bloated police budget including access to military gear for institutions that have in-roads in many cases with White Supremacists is just asking for trouble.

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Emerald said:

So, it just means cutting down on over-policing.

I know that. But some extreme progressives go so far as want more than that. Some talk of disbanning the police. The problem is that they few make the rest of the movement look dumb and nonsensical. This is similar to socialists screaming: open boarders. Welp, Covid shut them up real fast.

And besides, the slogan is misleading and terrible.

If what you want is to cut down on over-policing, then make that your slogan: Stop over-policing. Or better yet something positive like: Better training for police.

Then police will be onboard with that.

How are police gonna feel when you yell to defund them? How can police be supportive of progressives? They can't when you put their survival on the line like that. It would be like if I told a mother: Don't support your child. She would never listen to me again after that because it sounds so against her entire point of existence. When you create existential threats for people, expect them to react like cornered animals.

[DocWatts]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

I know that. But some extreme progressives go so far as want more than that. Some talk of disbanning the police.

And besides, the slogan is misleading and terrible.

If what you want is to cut down on over-policing, then make that your slogan: Stop over-policing. Or better yet something like: Better training for police. Then police will be onboard with that.

Some alternatives, then :    #DemilitarizeThePolice    #CommunityPolicing     #PoliceAccountability  

[Leo Gura]

#HumanizePolicing

That's the crux of what's needed. That's the solution.

Who is gonna say NO! to Should we humanize the police? Do you want an inhuman police-force in your town? Check mate!

Your political propositions need to resonate with positivity. If your message is easy to misunderstand or demonize, you've lost. I am progressive but even I cringed the first time I heard Defund The Police. And I still cringe when I hear it because then I have to clarify to people, "I am very progressive, but I'm not naive and impractical like those socialist hippies."

[PenguinPablo]

@Leo Gura The deep problem of marketing is one of my top favorite videos from you

[DocWatts]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

#HumanizePolicing

That's the crux of what's needed.

I actually like this one quite a bit.

Of course the challenge is to come up with a memorable phrase that conveys the spirit of what the movement is about, while simultaneously making it harder for that phrase to be used as ammunition for right wing propaganda

Edited January 7, 2021 by DocWatts

[Forestluv]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

then make that your slogan: Stop over-policing.

That slogan might resonate with the libertarian streak in America

[Leo Gura]

#HumanePolicing

The message needs to be uplifting and quasi-spiritual. You need to win the moral high-ground on this one.

Stage Green's meanness is showing up here. Mean Green as Wilber calls it. There's definitely some truth to that. Green fails without compassion. Compassion for police is important. They do hard work for little pay and they are mostly good people. Blaming and demonizing cops is a bad move. Police should not be demonized any more than your child who got a bad grade in math class.

[Emerald]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

I know that. But some extreme progressives go so far as want more than that.

And besides, the slogan is misleading and terrible.

If what you want is to cut down on over-policing, then make that your slogan: Stop over-policing. Or better yet something like: Better training for police. Then police will be onboard with that.

I do know people that want to abolish the police. To me, it shows a lot of ignorance to how the Criminal Justice System functions and where the corruption actually is. Getting rid of the police is like trying to uproot a tree by getting rid of some of the leaves. The CJS has far more corruption than just the police. It's a whole leviathan of corruption.

So, abolishing the police won't do much good to get rid of the corruption. Cops are mere peons of the institution.

Abolishing the private prison industry, on the other hand would get rid of so much corruption and would de-incentivize mass incarceration and over-policing. It would also de-incentivize the drug war and other forms of legislations that criminalize non-violent "crimes". And it would de-incentivize mandatory minimum sentences. 

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if the private prison industry has some hand in keeping certain neighborhoods poor and desperate. They need people to commit crimes to live in their prisons so that they can get more taxpayer money. So, poor and crime riddled neighborhood are in their financial interests.

But yes, it is not such good optics to say, "defund the police". It guarantees most people will be scared off of something that's actually very reasonable. The left needs to improve its rhetoric. 

 

[Emerald]

14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

#HumanizePolicing

That's the crux of what's needed. That's the solution.

Who is gonna say NO! to Should we humanize the police? Do you want an inhuman police-force in your town? Check mate!

Brilliant! 

That's the way to win the war of optics. The left needs to get better at that.

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Getting rid of the police is like trying to uproot a tree by getting rid of some of the leaves.

I would frame it as:

Getting rid of police is like trying to cure a tree from pests by ripping out its roots.

This analogy properly shows the foolishness of the strategy. The cure should not be worse than the disease.

Getting rid of pests requires a delicate touch, not a chainsaw.

[Moon]

57 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The progressive slogan to defund the police is probably the clearest example of stage Green stupidity. I understand that they mostly mean to reallocate funds to social work and the like, but a social worker is not gonna stop a crowd of MAGA idiots. That slogan -- defund the police -- is like political suicide.

True!!

Although there tends to be a lot of comparison of how the police would supposedly react quicker or differently if it had been BLM etc protestors. 

Like this tweet alludes to a lot of MAGA idiots = police, due to a lack of trust on who's side the police is on and whether they will carry out their job as they should...

Which would really point to greater funding rather than less (and arms and training you mentioned) to protect everyone including us green goblins ??‍♀️

Green twitter can be a bad echo chamber too with everyone blaming the "bad guys", whether that be the police, government, rich people... all day, everyday, people just wanting someone to blame...very negative and tiring to see now. 

[Leo Gura]

On 1/6/2021 at 8:34 PM, Moon said:

MAGA idiots = police

This is stretching it. Most police are professionals with integrity, not MAGA buffoons and degenerates. Sure, police generally skew conservative, but conservative != MAGA.

It's very important that we don't make the cliche progressive YouTuber mistake of demonizing all conservatives as MAGA idiots because conservatives will be around for another 1000 years, and we need to leave room open for a healthy and reasonable conservative party. The conservative party cannot be eliminated. But MAGA buffoons can. We need to build a pathway out of MAGA and back into healthy mainstream conservativism because these people will definitely not turn progressive.

I know it's shocking, but conservativism and idiocy can be independent variables. You can be conservative without being batshit crazy.