The outside world exists.

[Endangered-EGO]

Oh shit maybe this dream doesn't end with my physical death, FUCK....

[Someone here]

On 1/6/2021 at 2:48 PM, Endangered-EGO said:

You do know that when you die, your family will continue to live and the world you leave behind will still be. Or don't you believe that? Don't you guys believe that we live on a physical plane?
 

We "believe" that. That's right. We like to define existence as a thing that has substantiality independent of the mind. Yet this definition is completely dependent on a mind that has no way to prove anything exists in its absence. To make the claim that something exists outside of consciousness.. You must be conscious which is a contradiction. In other words you will never know! 

[Endangered-EGO]

@Someone here You will only know what you can know.

[SamueLSD]

It's pretty confusing, I think.

Everything is consciousness, so how can we prove a physical reality?

But, our sense perceptions are still receiving information from... well we can only say a physical world. 

But that 'physical' world is still fundamentally consciousness, as where can we draw the line between consciousness in the brain vs a certain part of the brain vs atoms etc etc.

Its all apart of the dream, really.

[Mu_]

On 1/6/2021 at 6:48 AM, Endangered-EGO said:

Either I don't understand it or some people have a weird solipsistic-idealism worldview.

You do know that when you die, your family will continue to live and the world you leave behind will still be. Or don't you believe that? Don't you guys believe that we live on a physical plane?

People who say when you die, everything ends, is from the non-ego perspective, because all experience cease to exist. That doesn't mean everything dies literally.

Other people don't exist, doesn't mean they are soulless meat-robots, but that the ego made the illusions of a self in other people with a story etc. They do exist and have souls/egos.

From the world of formlessness you can use perceive everything as empty, but it might not be a metaphysical truth, just a perceptual experience.

Maybe I am misunderstood: People exist, but our ego gives them a story. People seem to not-exist when realising that oneself doesn't exist. That's it. I think this needs clarification.
The fact that the world is a dream and empty doesn't mean the forms don't exist.

Just some food for thought. 

What about the physical world is physical? 

If there's just "world" what about it can really be said to be outside or inside?

What about the world is a dream and empty if its just ego giving story?  Surely thats a story to then.

[Someone here]

@Endangered-EGO I know nothing. 

@SamueLSD there is no "physical" reality.as in There is no solidity. It's constantly changing. It gives it this illusory quality  try to point to the present moment 

[Osaid]

1 hour ago, Endangered-EGO said:

So it's either this physical plane is Gods dream limiting itself to this character within the dream, or God limits itself to all the separate entities within the dream.

no difference either way

[Endangered-EGO]

@Osaid The difference is the perspective and the collective world.

@Mu_  Yes of course it is a story, the physical world. This world, no matter how much or few substance it seems to have, we agree that we are here for a limited time, and the dreamed world has stability. Everything is one from the subjective view, but can we agree that we share this, even though we cannot know and this doesn't help on the spiritual path, that we share this dream/world/place with other conscious beings? From a meta perspective.

[SamueLSD]

42 minutes ago, Someone here said:

 

@SamueLSD there is no "physical" reality.as in There is no solidity. It's constantly changing. It gives it this illusory quality  try to point to the present moment 

I used physical as I lacked a better word lol.

[Mu_]

12 minutes ago, Endangered-EGO said:

@Osaid The difference is the perspective and the collective world.

@Mu_  Yes of course it is a story, the physical world. This world, no matter how much or few substance it seems to have, we agree that we are here for a limited time, and the dreamed world has stability. Everything is one from the subjective view, but can we agree that we share this, even though we cannot know and this doesn't help on the spiritual path, that we share this dream/world/place with other conscious beings? From a meta perspective.

Does the dream world have stability?  In what sense?  Science says it been changing rapidly for 15 billion years.

We can say we share this, we can say a lot of things so to say    Your saying its a dream, and I'm pointing to this is just a word, and its neither.

[DLH]

Consciousness is never still.  Stillness is Nothingness.  Understanding or having awareness of Nothingness is the first step towards awakening to the “All-That-Is”.  The journey does not stop there.  It is a mental mind trap to stay fixated with the concept of Nothingness.  The “Real” awakening happens beyond the Nothingness concept.

Consciousness and awareness is always in motion, simultaneously expanded and contracted at all times. (don’t get caught up with the word “time

This physical dream state that you are experiencing is only a fragment of who you really are.  Your expanded individual consciousness operates behind the curtain of your current awareness in higher “forms” and “patterns”, while you play in this physical reality. 

This reality is “Real”!  It is just not Real in the sense that it is only “Solid”.  When you expand your awareness and consciousness beyond Nothingness and non-duality, you begin to understand that the word “Real”, is a mind trap and a concept of this 3D reality that will keep you stuck in this 3D reality.   

That is why in my previous post above, I tossed out the mind bender to contemplate the term “Real”!  

You are just one expression of consciousness among infinite expressions of consciousness experiencing this one physical reality.  As a separate expressions of consciousness, “You” create your own reality in this physical dream world. 

As an example; if you are in a room with 5 people, each of you create your own reality of the room and furniture within the room.   That means there are 5 rooms being created individually.  Together, behind the curtain of our individual Ego consciousness, you/we are cooperating at higher levels of consciousness to agree upon similar expressions of the “solidity and non-solidity of the room” and the “solidity and non-solidity” of our physical “selves”.   Once you understand this small aspect of awareness, the Real journey begins, and it is mind boggling.

To answer one of the topics above, when you are asleep in the dream world, your physical body is still being maintained and created by your higher individual consciousness.  It is also being separately created and maintain by those that are awake.  They “create” the “you” in their separate independent reality with your psychic, telepathic cooperation. 

You are not aware of this fact because a fragment of your consciousness is focused elsewhere in the non-physical dream state, but other independent conscious expressions continue to cooperate by maintaining your image of your physical body in their own creation of “You”. 

You can, and are, in many places within your higher expand conscious states of expression and awareness at this moment.  You are just not aware of the gradations of consciousness because of the focused, contracted awareness of your physical personality.

As an example; you are the absolute ocean of consciousness, but you have been given the gift of individuality in a limited form of consciousness and awareness to create a limited physical personality and Earth reality 

You have also been given the gift to cooperate with other limited individual forms of consciousness to create shared expressions of consciousness.  Collectively we create this Earth Reality in a micro portion of the Ocean of consciousness.

The Pacific, Atlantic, Indian, Artic oceans are one ocean, and yet they are independent and have a life of there own.  They have their own currents, temperatures, depths, shore lines, life forms etc., and yet they are all one Ocean.  Within there perceived separate oceans, they have separate climates, separate life forms, colours, waves, micro-organisms etc.  These aspects within each micro section of each Ocean have their own limited awareness.  And yet it takes the cooperation of all aspects within each micro section of each ocean to collectively create one Ocean of Consciousness. 

There are no physical boundaries within consciousness, and yet there are gradations of psychic gestalts, textures, sensations, and energy etc., between each ocean and each micro aspect of All-That-Is.   Just like there are different climates and temperatures around the world!   Ask your self, where and what is a boundary?   Go beyond the 3D definition and beliefs of the word "Boundary"!

The gift of separation, cooperation and oneness surround you constantly.  Nature is a gift of the Absolute, as a form of oneness and in separateness, cooperation and freedom of expression, the ability to create separately and collectively.  You just need to awaken and expand your outer and "Inner" senses to experience it.  It helps when you Stop labeling what is real and not real!  

Just sharing a few thoughts, ideas and beliefs.

[Adamq8]

17 minutes ago, DLH said:

Consciousness is never still.  Stillness is Nothingness.  Understanding or having awareness of Nothingness is the first step towards awakening to the “All-That-Is”.  The journey does not stop there.  It is a mental mind trap to stay fixated with the concept of Nothingness.  The “Real” awakening happens beyond the Nothingness concept.

Consciousness and awareness is always in motion, simultaneously expanded and contracted at all times. (don’t get caught up with the word “time

This physical dream state that you are experiencing is only a fragment of who you really are.  Your expanded individual consciousness operates behind the curtain of your current awareness in higher “forms” and “patterns”, while you play in this physical reality. 

This reality is “Real”!  It is just not Real in the sense that it is only “Solid”.  When you expand your awareness and consciousness beyond Nothingness and non-duality, you begin to understand that the word “Real”, is a mind trap and a concept of this 3D reality that will keep you stuck in this 3D reality.   

That is why in my previous post above, I tossed out the mind bender to contemplate the term “Real”!  

You are just one expression of consciousness among infinite expressions of consciousness experiencing this one physical reality.  As a separate expressions of consciousness, “You” create your own reality in this physical dream world. 

As an example; if you are in a room with 5 people, each of you create your own reality of the room and furniture within the room.   That means there are 5 rooms being created individually.  Together, behind the curtain of our individual Ego consciousness, you/we are cooperating at higher levels of consciousness to agree upon similar expressions of the “solidity and non-solidity of the room” and the “solidity and non-solidity” of our physical “selves”.   Once you understand this small aspect of awareness, the Real journey begins, and it is mind boggling.

To answer one of the topics above, when you are asleep in the dream world, your physical body is still being maintained and created by your higher individual consciousness.  It is also being separately created and maintain by those that are awake.  They “create” the “you” in their separate independent reality with your psychic, telepathic cooperation. 

You are not aware of this fact because a fragment of your consciousness is focused elsewhere in the non-physical dream state, but other independent conscious expressions continue to cooperate by maintaining your image of your physical body in their own creation of “You”. 

You can, and are, in many places within your higher expand conscious states of expression and awareness at this moment.  You are just not aware of the gradations of consciousness because of the focused, contracted awareness of your physical personality.

As an example; you are the absolute ocean of consciousness, but you have been given the gift of individuality in a limited form of consciousness and awareness to create a limited physical personality and Earth reality 

You have also been given the gift to cooperate with other limited individual forms of consciousness to create shared expressions of consciousness.  Collectively we create this Earth Reality in a micro portion of the Ocean of consciousness.

The Pacific, Atlantic, Indian, Artic oceans are one ocean, and yet they are independent and have a life of there own.  They have their own currents, temperatures, depths, shore lines, life forms etc., and yet they are all one Ocean.  Within there perceived separate oceans, they have separate climates, separate life forms, colours, waves, micro-organisms etc.  These aspects within each micro section of each Ocean have their own limited awareness.  And yet it takes the cooperation of all aspects within each micro section of each ocean to collectively create one Ocean of Consciousness. 

There are no physical boundaries within consciousness, and yet there are gradations of psychic gestalts, textures, sensations, and energy etc., between each ocean and each micro aspect of All-That-Is.   Just like there are different climates and temperatures around the world!   Ask your self, where and what is a boundary?   Go beyond the 3D definition and beliefs of the word "Boundary"!

The gift of separation, cooperation and oneness surround you constantly.  Nature is a gift of the Absolute, as a form of oneness and in separateness, cooperation and freedom of expression, the ability to create separately and collectively.  You just need to awaken and expand your outer and "Inner" senses to experience it.  It helps when you Stop labeling what is real and not real!  

Just sharing a few thoughts, ideas and beliefs.

Really beatiful and makes alot of sense!

Especially after a lsd trip I had, I recognized that conciousness projects it self and a world on higher and higher levels, like an oversoul in a way.

The totality of all that is, is the one infinite creator.