DISCUSSION: Tier Two Chat Lounge

[seeking_brilliance]

DISCUSSION:

(I don't know which tier this would belong in, I'm willing to delete it..) 

Today while revisiting a somewhat developed concept for a novel, i realized that the story not only dead-ended but was feeling quite stale.  I've been wanting to change the main character's name for a while, and found one today that I like.  It has a different energy to it. While focusing on this name and energy, I watched as the story kind of readjusted( like retuning the resonance) itself to this new name and energy, and already can see what new directions this could take me with story development. 

This got me thinking, we typically hold on to our birth names and spend years in character development. Sometimes we don't even like what develops-- though some do find a way to transcend all that.  But wouldn't it be fun to retune the story a bit with a different character name and energy? Could get rid of any stale/moody energy attached to the character you've spent a lifetime leeching energy from/to. 

In other words, let's change our names based on the energy we want to manifest. Whenever we want to change them. Doesn't have to be legally.

How attached are you to your current name?  Could you think of one that might give you a boost of confidence and joy? One of surrender? What do you want to manifest? Attach a name to it and become it. 

Then, teach your children. Rinse and repeat. 

This of course is not so much about awakening as it is just having fun (if the two must be mutually exclusive) 

Edited January 4, 2021 by seeking_brilliance

[LastThursday]

40 minutes ago, seeking_brilliance said:

This got me thinking, we typically hold on to our birth names and spend years in character development.

There's a deeper point here about re-inventing ourselves in general. It's clearly possible to do it, we naturally change from year to year; but is it desirable? Yes, we could personally manifest new energies, but I would say this could cause problems socially. Like it or not we are type cast by our friends and families and colleagues and to suddenly become "someone else" would be hard to deal with.

The flipside is that we can just "inhabit" whichever character is appropriate to our circumstances. I would say this is incredibly powerful if done right. If done wrong this could be interpreted as social manipulation or a form of sociopathy. I think the dangers of this labelling by peers is very real. Be prepared for pushback!

 

[Hulia]

1 hour ago, seeking_brilliance said:

In other words, let's change our names based on the energy we want to manifest. Whenever we want to change them. Doesn't have to be legally.

How attached are you to your current name?  Could you think of one that might give you a boost of confidence and joy? One of surrender? What do you want to manifest? Attach a name to it and become it. 

I love the idea. But I am so much stuck in the image of myself, that I cannot think of anything else except Julia. I think like Julia, I act like Julia, I look like Julia. All Julias, I know, are just like me. 

Can you think of a name for me? The opposite of Julia? But not the male name please. Like all Julias I tend to be flirty and indiscreet  

Maybe Klara or Claudia ... It would be the opposite of Julia... It should be!

 

Edited January 4, 2021 by Hulia

[Eph75]

This is more spiritual growth-related than SD; some kind of diversion via re-identification of self into "someone else" (change name) that emphasizes "something desired" (desired energy manifestation), rather than directly going for dis-identification of the unfavorable ego traits carried with that name, and the detachment of desires.

Or possibly just become a symbol, like that guy formerly known as Prince 

A name is convenient though 

[seeking_brilliance]

2 hours ago, LastThursday said:

Like it or not we are type cast by our friends and families and colleagues and to suddenly become "someone else" would be hard to deal with.

True, but one can take it  only as far as they wish. You wouldnt have to announce that you are under a different name, and even still happily answer to your birth name. And you could still channel your original character when near someone who would notice and care. Or choose a new fun identity that's a blend of old and new, for baby steps. 

1 hour ago, Hulia said:

I love the idea. But I am so much stuck in the image of myself, that I cannot think of anything else except Julia. I think like Julia, I act like Julia, I look like Julia. All Julias, I know, are just like me. 

Can you think of a name for me? The opposite of Julia? But not the male name please. Like all Julias I tend to be flirty and indiscreet  

Maybe Klara or Claudia ... It would be the opposite of Julia... It should be!

 

Ask your dream guide for a name. Tell them what you want to embody and ask for a name. ? Personally , I like Klara, Clara, or Sofia. The meanings are clarity and wisdom, respectively. 

[seeking_brilliance]

1 hour ago, Eph75 said:

This is more spiritual growth-related than SD; some kind of diversion via re-identification of self into "someone else" (change name) that emphasizes "something desired" (desired energy manifestation), rather than directly going for dis-identification of the unfavorable ego traits carried with that name, and the detachment of desires.

Or possibly just become a symbol, like that guy formerly known as Prince 

A name is convenient though 

We'll call it... spirit hacking ?

[Hulia]

2 hours ago, seeking_brilliance said:

Tell them what you want to embody and ask for a name. 

I have no idea what I´d like to embody. There is no character trait that I would prefer. 

I think, I have phobia. Phobia of self-identification. Of course it is rooted in the childhood. My mother is never tired of identifing everything and everybody she takes hold of.  

Edited January 4, 2021 by Hulia

[seeking_brilliance]

2 hours ago, Hulia said:

I have no idea what I'd like to embody. There is no character trait that I would prefer. 

I think, I have phobia. Phobia of self-identification. Of course it is rooted in the childhood. My mother is never tired of identifing everything and everybody she takes hold of.  

I understand. I only meant taking on new characters for fun and beneficial reasons. You can still be nothing and nameless simultaneously, no one can take that away from you ?.  

[Hulia]

6 hours ago, seeking_brilliance said:

I understand. I only meant taking on new characters for fun and beneficial reasons. You can still be nothing and nameless simultaneously, no one can take that away from you ?.  

I could for example become "Wandering_about" and surprise everyone by seeking brilliance or I could proclaim I am "Seeking_brilliance" and upset everyone by wandering about. That would be fun.

[seeking_brilliance]

Must seeking brilliance and wandering about be mutually exclusive? ?

And yes, you can have seeking_brilliance, I am not him either, which means we can both be him ?

Also, and this is just being silly, but where better to try this out than here on this forum? if we were allowed access to change our user name.  In fact I chose this user name for the exact reasons of manifesting 'brilliance', but suppose I now want to pursue  higher gratitude? I would love to be called seeking _gratitude for a while. 

Imagine if we knew each other based on the subtle hints like prose and energy in the words? And not by name.  Are we addicted to knowing who writes what? 

Edited January 5, 2021 by seeking_brilliance

[Hulia]

2 hours ago, seeking_brilliance said:

if we were allowed access to change our user name.  In fact I chose this user name for the exact reasons of manifesting 'brilliance', but suppose I now want to pursue  higher gratitude? I would love to be called seeking _gratitude for a while. 

Imagine if we knew each other based on the subtle hints like prose and energy in the words? And not by name.  Are we addicted to knowing who writes what? 

Oh yes! I´d love it! I would probably change my name every day! ok, maybe every week..

And then Leo could play a game - use his administrator rights and give all of us the same name, for example "nobody". Just for a couple of days.. It  would be fun to see a confusion!

Edited January 5, 2021 by Hulia

[seeking_brilliance]

On 02/01/2021 at 10:14 PM, WonderSeeker said:

With that said, I'm wondering just how we will get there. In what social settings will yellow values get the most attention and spread the fastest? My intuition tells me that there isn't a straightforward answer.

Definitely by infiltration from within. 

A corollary question is What is the most effective way to spread Tier Two ideas? Thinking specifically, comedy is a potential arena for this, as comics draw large audiences and are massively influential. Then again, I've yet to see a comedian that appears to have transcended green. (Please link something if you think you've found a yellow comedian!) 

Music, movies, comedy... I think entertainment has and always will play a role in social development. Because it's a universal language. Even the clearly red, orange and blue entertainments can have an effect as we begin to be repulsed by those type of shows /movies. I think all things propel us forward, it's inevitable. 

Has anyone found a yellow comedian yet?? 

 

[At awe]

@seeking_brilliance Since I am a big standup fan I would like to say George Carlin was Yellow.

And current ones, David Huntsberger. 

Correct me if I’m wrong?

[seeking_brilliance]

On 1/5/2021 at 9:17 AM, Hulia said:

Oh yes! I´d love it! I would probably change my name every day! ok, maybe every week..

And then Leo could play a game - use his administrator rights and give all of us the same name, for example "nobody". Just for a couple of days.. It  would be fun to see a confusion!

I am so down!

 

8 minutes ago, At awe said:

@seeking_brilliance Since I am a big standup fan I would like to say George Carlin was Yellow.

And current ones, David Huntsberger. 

Correct me if I’m wrong?

cool i'll look further into them!

[EddieEddie1995]

Here are my few Insights of yellow and above that are now making me grow even faster: 

1. I realized that everything I see is me:

•  So when I catch myself criticizing others, I want to know why, because I know im criticizing myself  
• Motivates me to enjoy in my creation etc. and to do all that I need awareness 

2. Awareness(imo is ability to watch your thoughts and emotions without getting immersed into the story, which I do 90% percent of the day). If you are not aware, you go into automatic mode, which means(imo) you are saying words automaticly. Your mood and emotions are in control. You act in the way that serves the ego. 

3. Yellow system thinking is something you develop, and not something you just get. How do you get there? Actualized.org ideas hehe But in my development of yellow systems journaling and meditation has a crucial role. 

For example. My habit of journaling and shooting videos is forcing me to be aware. Because I know that this is the best way to learn. When I journal, I force my mind  to imagine a picture (system or structure) of what I want to write. So when my mind wonders, im forced to get it back on track. Im forced  to keep an image of what I want to write. What do I mean by that? Lets say I have a conversation with someone... when I em self-aware I em able to hold a system in my head like a picture (im just strating to develop this, this is why my top priority (80/20) is meditatin and journaling) that looks like this :

• what type of conversation do I want to have with this guy? what do I want to achieve?
  • should I ask questions? 
  • should I give him advice?
  • should i listen to him                                                                                   <---- I see this questions automaticly - this is only an example 
  • where is he on the spiral 
• where do I want to focus my awareness?
  • what hes body lenguage tells me?
  • why em I reacting in this way? etc. 
  • how em I projecting 

This pictures that im  holding opens up my mind for bunch of different perspectives that I em always improving, testing...  You train your mind to do it for you.  It is Amazing! 

Nice thread I love watching and analyzing yellow. Here is a video that Leo posted 

 I can't remember what was the conversation. But what I remember is how Weinstain starts talking about topics or questions that the other guy is asking by unpacking things(he has a picture of how the system looks like). He knows that the way for the other guy to understand is to bring in different parts that clicks in the end (systems are complex). But every time he starts unpacking things, the other guy interrupts him because he finds a hole where he can share he's perspective. You can see that he is trying to get Weinstain to agree with him, to approve him. He doesn't want the public to see the system of hes explanation, he just want to be involved (this is my assumption ofc.).  You can see he's egoic need(I do that all the time), where Weinstain does not care. He is going with the flow with him. He understands... he is aware! 

Ofcourse, what I could see there is how much my mind can allow. I can know Yellow only how much my mind can allow. I imagine yellow. I project yellow. 

What do you guys think? Could you say that my way of thinking is yellow? 

 

[EddieEddie1995]

On 1/2/2021 at 3:45 AM, Carl-Richard said:

Do you ever doubt yourself and think you're just a filthy little orange man who is deluding himself? 

All the time heheh!  Because Im openminded and I know how tricky the mind is! 

 What is your way of describing Yellow? 

How do you describe self-awareness?

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, EddieEddie1995 said:

All the time heheh!  Because Im openminded and I know how tricky the mind is! 

 What is your way of describing Yellow? 

How do you describe self-awareness?

Yellow is the unlikely marriage of radical relativism and unbridled pragmatism. It's like taking the crippling self-awareness of an anxious neurotic and combining it with the stability and charisma of a visionary leader; the openness of an artist and the precision of a scientist; the ability to wield inclusivity and discernment independently across different contexts. The examples of these types of contrasts are endless. A paragraph doesn't serve it justice.

Self-awareness is used in different ways, most prominently the colloquial "negative" form of self-awareness that is contrasted with having a positive sense of self. This concept includes what I call "phenomenological self-awareness" that is being muddled by self-referential thoughts ("I/me/my-thoughts") that carry a negative emotional tone. 

Phenomenological self-awareness is purely the recognition of being, also simply called awareness, qualia (it's the awareness of the big Self rather than the small self). Standard western philosophy prefers to simply call it qualia, because it generally doesn't make the distinction between "Self" and "self", unlike non-dual spirituality that is influenced by eastern philosophy (calling it "self"-awareness then arguably becomes more appropriate).

You could also say that these tendencies in spiritual circles to use self-awareness in a more a loose sense could just be a case of colloquialism rather than the explanation in the latter paragraph (or both). Standard western definition of self-awareness would simply be the ability to access information about the small self (your earthly identity), which essentially measures the level of self-referential thoughts and metacognition in an individual. 

The first google search result for "self-awareness" shares a striking similarity to the MBTI's cognitive function of Fi (introverted feeling): "Self-awareness is the ability to focus on yourself and how your actions, thoughts, or emotions do or don't align with your internal standards". Maybe that is why many INFPs are so colloquially self-aware and socially awkward  

Edited January 7, 2021 by Carl-Richard

[caspex]

Not really a discussion but just something I will like to say.

I think what really defines what stage you are on is how you act in practical life and what will you do if rubber hits the road. Behind a computer screen, on some forum, it is very easy to regroup your thoughts before posting, Which is a good thing since it allows higher consciousness discussions but does that really tell you anything about the person typing? I'd say if you wanna judge your stage, judge what you value out in the field in real life instead of how you are online, in social situations, etc. The more situations you assess the better understanding you get. Online on such forums, we are obviously way higher on the spiral. 

Judging as how I am in real life, I will consider myself a mix of orange, green and yellow with more yellow in calmer situations and more green and orange in less calmer ones. I am also getting turq insights for quite a while. But really that is only really when I am in my home, peaceful and calm with nothing to worry about. In social situations I tend to be a lot more orange and green 50-50. But the yellow does show when needed.(This is from the memories of situations quite back so these aren't accurate and I am probably way better of now.) (Yeah i dont get much social interaction) So it's all a big soup where the quantity of ingredients change depending on the situation. I consider myself high yellow and even early early turq on forums tho. 

And I think the thing about judgin yourself and calling yourself TIER-2 isn't much of an egoic thing at all(if you are actually tier 2 and rate yourself tier 2). You don't need to have an ego present to rate what this body and 'personality' values. Though it is a common trap. You shouldn't feel guilty if you rate yourself high, cautious yes, but not guilty. When there is no you, what does it matter what you rate it, It doesn't matter to the consciousness/emptiness that is everything (and is the true you). 

[EddieEddie1995]

@Swarnim I couldn't agree more on everything you said! I em mostly orange 40%, green 40% and 20% yellow in social situations. Its easy for me when I em alone at home, under nootropics, in meditative state hehe I even had more then 10 mystical experinces (turquoise insights). 

 

[Hulia]

On 5.1.2021 at 1:21 PM, seeking_brilliance said:

Imagine if we knew each other based on the subtle hints like prose and energy in the words? And not by name.  Are we addicted to knowing who writes what? 

I can see the expression without seeing the face, hear the intonation without hearing the voice. Sometimes "hi" is enough.

On 5.1.2021 at 1:21 PM, seeking_brilliance said:

In fact I chose this user name for the exact reasons of manifesting 'brilliance', but suppose I now want to pursue  higher gratitude? I would love to be called seeking _gratitude for a while. 

What kind of gratitude are you seeking? Gratitude of someone towards you or gratitude of you towards someone? I understand that everybody is just you, you, you. But the question still remains: what part of you should be the receiver and what part -  the supplier of gratitude?