Why does Leo stay in America?

[Haumea2018]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is, but when there are other options easily available, one is foolish not to use them. I pay a lot of tax as it is.

But comrade, it is the glorious collective that determines when you've made enough money.

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The point of a progressive tax is making it federal so that it cannot be escaped.

Can be escaped through expatriation. And besides, the point of advocating a progressive tax is that when you've made YOUR money, you're not taxed on the wealth you've accumulated, which puts you at an advantage over upstarts.

[Preety_India]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

For example, I have not gotten any money from the stimulus packages

Why would you need stimulus packages when you're rich? 

Shouldn't the poor and less fortunate benefit from it? 

Also why would you not be enthusiastic about policies that benefit the less fortunate? Are they going to hit a jackpot with such policies? At best they will get a decent time in life for a short while? 

You should really be enthusiastic about progressive policies because for you it's only a little price to pay whereas for the  poor its a whole lot of benefit. 

Doesn't look good for you to crib about stimulus packages. 

The whole idea of enlightenment and spirituality should be for you to be able to have empathy for the needy. 

It's not a gym yoga practice. 

You should be the last person to talk about stimulus money. 

You are too rich. 

 

Edited December 31, 2020 by Preety_India

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, Haumea2018 said:

But comrade, it is the glorious collective that determines when you've made enough money.

Not in Murica

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Can be escaped through expatriation.

That's too cumbersome for most people.

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And besides, the point of advocating a progressive tax is that when you've made YOUR money, you're not taxed on the wealth you've accumulated, which puts you at an advantage over upstarts.

Huh? Progressives wants wealth taxes.

9 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

Why would you need stimulus packages when you're rich? 

I don't. But many people who don't really need stimulus are getting it and it causes inflation.

These stimulus plans are inflating money. Basically each time they pass a new stimulus it's like they're stealing 1% of the money from everyone's bank account. And the more money is in your bank account the more you lose. If you have nothing in your bank account it's a net win for you. If you have lots of money in your bank account it's a net loss for you.

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Shouldn't the poor and less fortunate benefit from it?

Sure

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Also why would you not be enthusiastic about policies that benefit the less fortunate?

Would you be enthusiatic if I took money from your wallet and gave it to some poor kids in Africa?

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You should really be enthusiastic about progressive policies because for you it's only a little price to pay whereas for the  poor its a whole lot of benefit.

I don't mind paying higher taxes if every rich person pays it, but I'm not gonna be enthusiastic about it.

How come I pay more taxes than this asshole Donald Trump??

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Doesn't look good for you to crib about stimulus packages. 

The whole idea of enlightenment and spirituality should be for you to be able to have empathy for the needy.

You talk a big talk. But do you walk a big walk?

[Haumea2018]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Not in Murica

True...but you supported Bernie, so in his vision of America, for sure.

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

That's too cumbersome for most people.

Of course, but most people aren't making that much, and as far as those who are, it might be worth it and wouldn't be so cumbersome.

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Huh? Progressives wants wealth taxes.

Do you? If that's so, why are you so particular about state taxes if you expect it will be taken from you at some point.  Unless you know it'll highly unlikely to happen.

I mean, wealth confiscation is as Unamerican as it gets.  You may as well tell Americans you will shoot their puppies next.

[Lyubov]

If I was quite rich I would not want to live in America. Can get a nice flat in a European country like in Spain or Italy seaside and find a local girlfriend there that will basically look like a super model compared to US standards and be super open minded and conscious. 

[Haumea2018]

1 minute ago, Lyubov said:

If I was quite rich I would not want to live in America. Can get a nice flat in a European country like in Spain or Italy seaside and find a local girlfriend there that will basically look like a super model compared to US standards and be super open minded and conscious. 

Go live in Miami or Los Angeles if you want super models.  Yeah, "open-minded" and "conscious."

[DocWatts]

For anyone who's interested, here's a spending breakdown of the previous Stimulus Package (the CARES act, couldn't find a similar infographic for the most recent Stimulus bill). Obviously targeted aid to people who needed it the most would be preferable, but fact is our legislative system is so dysfunctional that it's basically impossible to pass any sort of large spending Bill without a significant portion of its funds being diverted to Special Interests. Stimulus Checks only made up about %15 of the last Stimulus Package.

Edited December 31, 2020 by DocWatts

[Preety_India]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

 

 

You talk a big talk. But do you walk a big walk?

I'm too poor to give money. 

Plus I can't walk the big walk because 

1. I'm not Leo. 
2. I'm not rich. 

 

In your case, you're both of the above 

 

[Yali]

@Leo Gura

I like Irvine, Corona Del Mar, Newport Beach, Laguna Beach, etc.

Very nice area.

Edited December 31, 2020 by Yali

[Haumea2018]

2 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

I'm too poor to give money. 

Plus I can't walk the big walk because 

1. I'm not Leo. 
2. I'm not rich. 

In your case, you're both of the above 

I'm not Leo either, and as much as I enjoy busting his balls on his politics, ultimately, it's his fucking money, and pissing it away on taxes that will be spent on programs that will do nothing to fix the structural problems in the US economy doesn't seem like a good idea.  The whole premise that tax money will be spent wisely is anything but an automatic.

[Haumea2018]

1 minute ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Yeah, but this doesn’t work explain why you chose to live in Las Vegas.

I think he pretty much said it's the showgirls. 

[Leo Gura]

Is it so hard to understand that there is a divergence between my personal agenda vs that of society at large?

It will shock you to learn that my selflessness has a limit.

I support Bernie, but at great cost to myself if he wins.

Trump has put sometime like $100,000 in tax cuts in my pocket over the last 4 years.

[Haumea2018]

That was my point though -- it's easy to support something that will never happen.

Did you realistically think Bernie could ever happen? Whatever gave you that idea, if that's the case?

The US doesn't elect socialists, at best it elects right-leaning populists, like Teddy Roosevelt.

[Leo Gura]

44 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

I'm too poor to give money. 

Plus I can't walk the big walk because...

Exactly.

All talk, no walk.

When you start to walk you might reconsider some of your talk.

[Haumea2018]

Anyway, it's not a divergence between personal agenda and society.  It's a divergence between personal agenda and political views or beliefs, which is different.  That's easier to reconcile than the first.  Sufficient cognitive dissonance usually does the trick.

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Haumea2018 said:

That was my point though -- it's easy to support something that will never happen.

When I donated $1000 to Bernie it was early enough that I legit thought he could win.

9 minutes ago, Haumea2018 said:

Did you realistically think Bernie could ever happen? Whatever gave you that idea, if that's the case?

It was a worthwhile cause none the less.

[diamondpenguin]

If anything we should cut taxes because usa is one of the biggest taxing countries in the world and that's the only reason its military is so big. California isnt even worth living in and it is getting wild with these big taxes. So cut taxes for all classes and let public vote for where to spend it. I think that's a good idea. But WHOSE WITH ME? 

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, diamondpenguin said:

usa is one of the biggest taxing countries in the world

No

[Haumea2018]

3 minutes ago, diamondpenguin said:

If anything we should cut taxes because usa is one of the biggest taxing countries in the world and that's the only reason its military is so big. California isnt even worth living in and it is getting wild with these big taxes. So cut taxes for all classes and let public vote for where to spend it. I think that's a good idea. But WHOSE WITH ME? 

Military is so big because we don't want China to rule the world.  Do you think it might be a different world if in addition to its economic influence it was the preeminent military power as well? Ask the Uyghurs.  Americans seem to need a reminder every half a century or so that slashing the military is a temporary boon that soon has to be reversed.

Anyway, the states that have high taxes have governments that have South America envy.  They want no middle class, just ruling elites and peons.

[diamondpenguin]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No

Lol 16th out of 200 something countries still pretty high up there. 

21 minutes ago, Haumea2018 said:

Military is so big because we don't want China to rule the world.  Do you think it might be a different world if in addition to its economic influence it was the preeminent military power as well? Ask the Uyghurs.  Americans seem to need a reminder every half a century or so that slashing the military is a temporary boon that soon has to be reversed.

Anyway, the states that have high taxes have governments that have South America envy.  They want no middle class, just ruling elites and peons.

Instead of hating on my ideas. Why dont you help come up with some better ones. You know what they say, the only way to deal with a problem is solving it. It's like moving a mountain trying to convince anyone anything. Because everyone always thinks their right.