Is there one objective reality ?

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, satyajit said:

But, explorations are resulting in more questions than answers.

5-MeO-DMT will be just like that but on steroids.

[Javfly33]

2 hours ago, Forestluv said:

 

The journey is the destination. 

Well I'm out of this journey, then.

Oh wait, now I can't get out of the journey ??

3 hours ago, Gesundheit said:

@satyajit This problem can be easily solved with belief. And actually, it is being solved exclusively through that way while denying that belief is involved.

The answer to this question requires a leap of faith; precisely a belief in otherness. But Leo's approach to epistemology does not accept belief, or at least that's what he claims. You're not bound by that approach though. You can choose to believe others and you can choose not to. It's all up to you.

@Gesundheit Quite brilliant answer

[Inliytened1]

@satyajit i suggest just keep an open mind and continue to do the practices laid out here because anything we say here runs the risk of being adopted as a belief.  If you want conceptual answers the videos explain that in depth with the warning not to take it as belief.    DMT is not necessarily a requirement - awakening has ocurred by many via meditation...

[Someone here]

@satyajit solipsism is undebunkable. Which is not to say it's true. When framed as only your subjective experience is certain to exist and you don't have the necessary tools to know the nature of your experience. Simulation theory argument as an example (how do you know you are not in a virtual world). Also Rene descartes' famous evil demon doubt as an example. It's not possible to answer your question definitively. I would say drop the whole inquiry and go do something more worth your time 

Edited December 30, 2020 by Someone here

[Carl-Richard]

The illusion is endless.

[abrakamowse]

10 hours ago, Moksha said:

At the ultimate level, reality includes everything. The "dream world" is part of reality. Even a dream exists, in its own realm. Reality is everything that exists, and everything that does not exist. It is the unmanifested, and the manifested. It is the formless, and the formed. Think of it more in terms of states of reality, encompassed into a whole, rather than trying to separate the real from the unreal. Any separation like that is dualistic, and thus cannot capture ultimate reality.

Awesome. Thanks for that one @Moksha

[cetus]

Is there one objective reality ?

You only have to look as far as the dreams you dream at night. At the time are they not seemingly what is most valid?

[satyajit]

Thanks everyone for all the insights. 

[Moksha]

@abrakamowse ?

[Gesundheit]

On 29/12/2020 at 8:52 PM, satyajit said:

@Gesundheit Of course I have to believe in others as I'm lacking the first-hand experience. I was hoping that there is some consensus amongst the advanced researchers regarding this so that it makes more sense in believing.

The furthest we can agree upon as humans from the human perspective is that it's a strange-loop between beliefs & direct experience, i.e. subjective & objective.

[satyajit]

What I've gathered in the last few days is this.

Seems like this perception is also an illusion. This 'way' of finding the connection (yog) is one of the many ways. 

An illusory perception nevertheless.

[Gesundheit]

Solipsism is what happens when you take empiricism too seriously.

@satyajit What does the word "illusion" mean? It means that there's something beyond that which you call "illusion", and you believe in it, but you deny that you do 

Why not just admit the inevitability of belief instead?

Edited January 1, 2021 by Gesundheit

[abrakamowse]

@satyajit @Gesundheit

Thats why I don’t like to talk too much about that. And I also try not to think too much about those topics.

Thoughts can take you to crazy conclusions. IMO. 
☺️

[Gesundheit]

@abrakamowse The absolutest truth though in the realm of absolutismatism is that there are only 5 sentient beings in the entire universe, and the rest are just bots. I am one of those sentient beings, and Leo is one. The other three are still unknown till this day, but two of them are females, for sure. Ladies, pm me with your hottest pics so that I can confirm.

[abrakamowse]

@Gesundheit ???

[satyajit]

@Gesundheit  I have more interest in developing an understanding of something, which is verifiable and statistically coherent. We have great capabilities of building internal models based upon verifiable experiences. In short, making sense of it. 

Belief systems act and function otherwise. A human mind can only be convinced by statistical coherent modeling. Any belief is ultimately disbelieved by the mind. That is why I have no interest in going that way. That's a blind lane IMO.

I understand some things fall in the segment of no-mind or modeling. I'm afraid, that is not something we can do anything about. Everything that is comprehensible is in the mind. Even theories of illusory perceptions, paradoxes, strange loops, and incompleteness theorem. 

Everything is happening in the mind, the thing that's is out of this mind, doesn't exist at all.

[Gesundheit]

@satyajit Or simply, I don't know.

[Nahm]

Subject & object are thoughts. Look for them in perception & feeling. (To deeply realize they are thoughts).