Psychedelics & spiritual masters

[Tim R]

Do you know of any instances of spiritual masters taking (strong) psychedelics like 5-MeO or DPT or something similar?

I've just been reading Leo's old solo retreat notes and he mentioned that a Zen Master for example wouldn't care to take DMT to integrate the entities into his world view because a) he thinks his enlightenment is enough and b) because it is against one of the 5 precepts (although it actually isn't btw)

[Nahm]

More the activity of seeking in this context, no? 

In the sense, a so called spiritual master recognizes appearance / phenomena as itself, and thus there is no spiritual master, psychedelics, zen master, phenomena, etc. 

[How to be wise]

@Tim R Ram Dass said that his guru, Neem Karoli Baba, took some LSD, and nothing happened to him. Ram Dass’ explanation was “you don’t need to take a bus to Detroit if you’re already in Detroit.” Although something tells me that Neem Karoli Baba probably didn’t have LSD consciousness 24/7. 

[Nahm]

No one has consciousness. 

[WaveInTheOcean]

 

[Bodhitree]

@Tim R I have heard of a case where a friend of a friend convinced a Tibetan Lama to take LSD, and was told that “these were the lesser lights”, and he explained that this was as close as one could come to the Bardo states without dying. 

[Tim R]

11 hours ago, Bodhitree said:

@Tim R I have heard of a case where a friend of a friend convinced a Tibetan Lama to take LSD, and was told that “these were the lesser lights”, and he explained that this was as close as one could come to the Bardo states without dying. 

@Bodhitree That's from a story from Terence McKenna, it was about DMT