Uncertainty questions!

[Someone here]

They might be fun or not for you. For me These kinds of inquiries are my favorite. 

Go ahead and screw around with them if you like. Because I'm challenging everything you believe you know.... 

1. What keeps everything together?  What makes the floor underneath stands? Why doesn't the universe just fly apart right now? Exactly what makes everything "work" so to speak? The rules of physics? What is grounding that? And what's grounding that?...... You get the idea 

2.name something that you are absolutely certain of. Like 100 %certain of.  Justify why are you certain of it.

Do you notice that absolutely everything is uncertain? Such that uncertainty is the only thing you are certain of?  For example what makes you certain that the next moment the TV will not suddenly show a different universe because God suddenly decided to flip the channel??????(

3.are you dreaming or awake right now? And how do you know? (oh a classical one but still you basically don't know the ontological statues of your experience). 

4. What is the context of existence? This experience that's happening right now.... Where exactly is it happening? In a computer or in a universe or maybe in an alien's dream? What models (scientific or spiritual etc) do you have to explain this present moment? Do you realize all your models are bullshit because they themselves are the very same present moment that's completely unexplainable? 

5. Is the earth flat or round? Whatever you believe it is. Have you actually seen the earth from above? No. Then why you are not agnostic about this? Why you believe it's round? 

I could come up with dozens of them. Basically the point is everything you think you know could be deconstructed completely. Then again what do you really know? Only the immediate direct experience. 

Edit :

 

Here's another question. . How to ground any knowledge whatsoever that's not contacted with in the immediacy of the present moment? In other words anything that you are not seeing, hearing, touching, smelling or tasting right this moment... How is it possible to have a certain knowledge of such thing? (could be a memory.. An anticipation of the future.. Or a conceptual explanation of the experience itself) etc. 

Edited December 27, 2020 by Someone here

[Javfly33]

1. Nothing. Reality is One/Infinite so it doesn't need a how.

2. That's a good one. I don't think I can come up with a linguistic answer. All thought answer would fundamentally temporary and impermanent therefore false and not 100% certain.

3. Right now I'm dreaming

4. Nowhere, exactly. In absolute Nothingness, in the centre of infinity, in the mind of 'God'. Unfortunately I can't escape this dream lol. Can't destroy myself

5. The earth is round. I haven't seen it but I don't practice 100% scepticism with everything because of useful/survival purposes

 

[Someone here]

39 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Nothing

Exactly. That makes these facts uncertain. 

 

39 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

That's a good one. I don't think I can come up with a linguistic answer. All thought answer would fundamentally temporary and impermanent therefore false and not 100% certain.

Yup. Once again you are uncertain. 

 

39 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Right now I'm dreaming

Let's create a distinction between the waking world and the night time Dreams. Exactly how are you supposed to know which is which? 

 

39 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Nowhere, exactly. In absolute Nothingness. 

Again. 100% mystery and unknown. 

 

39 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

The earth is round. I haven't seen it but I don't practice 100% scepticism with everything because of useful/survival purposes. 

In other words you don't know but you gotta believe something cuz blah? 

All perfect uncertain answers ?

[allislove]

3 hours ago, Someone here said:

2.name something that you are absolutely certain of. Like 100 %certain of.  Justify why are you certain of it.

'I'

[seeking_brilliance]

1. What keeps everything together? What makes the floor underneath stands? Why doesn't the universe just fly apart right now? Exactly what makes everything "work" so to speak? The rules of physics? What is grounding that? And what's grounding that?...... You get the idea 

Belief 

2.name something that you are absolutely certain of. Like 100 %certain of. Justify why are you certain of it.

Isness-beingness-awareness(one word, conveying a sentence) 

6 hours ago, Someone here said:

3.are you dreaming or awake right now? And how do you know? (oh a classical one but still you basically don't know the ontological statues of your experience). 

Is there a difference? 

4. What is the context of existence? This experience that's happening right now.... Where exactly is it happening? In a computer or in a universe or maybe in an alien's dream? 

Imagination, or do you mean the raw data? 

6 hours ago, Someone here said:

5. Is the earth flat or round? Whatever you believe it is. Have you actually seen the earth from above? No. Then why you are not agnostic about this? Why you believe it's round? 

Neither, the  visible land doesn't even connect, and shape of water can't be trusted. 

6 hours ago, Someone here said:

How to ground any knowledge whatsoever that's not contacted with in the immediacy of the present moment? In other words anything that you are not seeing, hearing, touching, smelling or tasting right this moment... How is it possible to have a certain knowledge of such thing? (could be a memory.. An anticipation of the future.. Or a conceptual explanation of the experience itself) etc. 

Define knowledge.... Otherwise, read the data. All data is a self contained bio-feedback loop. If you know how, you can reach for it, whatever you want. (I made that up, and I'll also make up that accessing psychic powers will help. There, enjoy ?) 

Edited December 27, 2020 by seeking_brilliance

[xxxx]

Had so much fun with this.

@Someone here

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Why is everything together?

What is togetherness? Your concept and definition of togetherness is limited.

Together and not together are in this ‘together’. 

 

Why does the floor underneath stand?

According to whom? To your human senses, maybe. To the single-celled organisms in the depths of the ‘Earth’, it floats. 

 

3) Why doesn’t the universe fly apart right now?

Why are you so certain that it isn’t flying apart right now? In what manner should it ‘fly apart’ for it come under your definition of ‘flying apart’? 

 

4) What makes everything ‘work’?

Nothing works like you do. Get it? 

 

5) Rules of physics?

The exist because you want them to exist. They will exist to the extent you want it to. They will work on the rules you decide. 

 

6) What am I a hundred percent certain of?

That, to use a hundred percent as a means to be certain of something is a construct.

 

7) God deciding to flip the channel.

I have decided to flip the channel. I know. Why are you treating God as a separate entity? Also, what makes a channel ‘flipped’? 

The flipping is the constant, and vice-versa. 

Dude, notice it, you are flipping right now. 

 

8) Dreaming and awake

I am dreaming, awake, sleeping, not existing, existing and being and not-being and everything and nothing in-between. 

 

9) Where is all this happening?

‘There’ is ‘no-where’ in an infinity. 

 

10) Explain the present moment?

The explanation is the present moment.

 

11) Earth flat or round?

Example : I see your profile picture right now - you fall into my definition of a human, with two eyes, a nose and great hair. I think you are using some gadget to do this right now. I am sure you need some sort of electricity. Your form is what you want it to be. I want you to be a human, so you are. 

The Earth is flat, if flat is round, and the Earth is round, if the round is flat. 

It’s all imaginary - and you have given imaginary form.

 

You just created the notion that everything is uncertain. You don’t wish for it to be certain. You are certain that you are uncertain. You are uncertain that you are certain. 

 

Is infinity uncertain because you choose to not make sense of it? 

Would infinity be certain if you suddenly decide to ‘play along’ with yourself, to make ‘sense’ of it, haha? 

What is ‘making sense’ of it mean? Is it sense-worthy? 

 

I am sure that you are certainly playing a joke on me right now. 

 

 

 

Edited December 27, 2020 by xxxx

[snowyowl]

10 hours ago, Someone here said:

What keeps everything together?  What makes the floor underneath stands? Why doesn't the universe just fly apart right now? Exactly what makes everything "work" so to speak? The rules of physics? What is grounding that? And what's grounding that?...... You get the idea 

The Universe is flying apart on the mega scale, the Big Bang is still in progress and we're part of it. On smaller scales, it's a mixture of forces of attraction and repulsion, eg gravity, electromagnetic forces, strong and weak nuclear forces etc. 

The "rules" of Physics are purely descriptive, not controlling. As far as I can tell, the deeper into the structure of reality the physicists go, the more energy is required in their particle accelerators etc, so we've only got as far as our technology and budgets allow. How can we ever prove if we've got to the very bottom without ever more powerful experiments? 

[Someone here]

9 hours ago, allislove said:

'I'

Brilliant answer from Rupert. Thanks for sharing ❤️?

6 hours ago, seeking_brilliance said:

Belief

Exactly a belief is a thought. unexamined. These things are uncertain. You just really "believe" they are certain. 

 

6 hours ago, seeking_brilliance said:

Isness-beingness-awareness(one word, conveying a sentence) 

Yes exactly. That's my point. Only isness is certain. The fact the isness IS. And nothing else is certain nor knowable. 

6 hours ago, seeking_brilliance said:

Is there a difference? 

No that difference itself is uncertain. So you don't know if you're in dreaming state or waking state. And you don't even know if these two states are even different to begin with (that life itself is not one giant ass dream). 

 

6 hours ago, seeking_brilliance said:

Imagination, or do you mean the raw data? 

Yes I mean direct experience. This right here right now. The question is where is here? What is the background of the universe? If it's only one piece of the puzzle.. Where is this piece fitting? 

6 hours ago, seeking_brilliance said:

Neither

Exactly. Which means it's undetermined or unknown. It's both and neither. Depends on a relative view point. Again uncertain! 

 

6 hours ago, seeking_brilliance said:

Define knowledge. 

Let's call feelings direct experience. Knowledge is thoughts. The question is How can you trust the content of any thought if it's not describing a direct feeling? (for example I had some fish for dinner yesterday) 

[allislove]

@Someone here ?

[Someone here]

5 hours ago, xxxx said:

What is togetherness? Your concept and definition of togetherness is limited.

Together and not together are in this ‘together’. 

 

Yes my concept that everything is indeed "together" is not accurate. Which means it's not certain. So.. is everything together or apart objectively? Both ofcourse which means there isn't a certain answer! 

 

5 hours ago, xxxx said:

According to whom? To your human senses, maybe. To the single-celled organisms in the depths of the ‘Earth’, it floats

Exactly! So even within my question I assumed that the floor is indeed still... which is a claim of certainty for the conversation to be possible at all.. we have to assume a given. But is it a given tho? As you said it's not. It's also relative. Everything is so relative and uncertain such that I can't even formulate a question without making uncertain claims! 

 

5 hours ago, xxxx said:

Why are you so certain that it isn’t flying apart right now? In what manner should it ‘fly apart’ for it come under your definition of ‘flying apart’? 

Same point. I had to assume that it's not already falling apart and ask why it isn't?.... But ofcourse as you said it's already falling apart and not falling apart simultaneously depends on whether we are talking about the macro scale or micro scale and what measurement tools (speed) etc.... All that itself is relative and uncertain. Such that it's impossible to make a 100 % certain and accurate description. 

 

5 hours ago, xxxx said:

5 hours ago, xxxx said:

Nothing works like you do. Get it? 

 

Nope! Say it in a different way lol 

 

5 hours ago, xxxx said:

That, to use a hundred percent as a means to be certain of something is a construct. 

I like this. Ofcourse. You could say why should I be 100 % certain and not only 4 %?  After all even the 4 % is 100% relative to other factors of consideration.. Also you could ask are you 100 % certain that you are 100% certain...to infinity. It's not possible to measure the degree of certainty in a certain way! 

 

5 hours ago, xxxx said:

have decided to flip the channel. I know. Why are you treating God as a separate entity? Also, what makes a channel ‘flipped’? 

The flipping is the constant, and vice-versa. 

Dude, notice it, you are flipping right now. 

 

Exactly. It's already getting filpped constantly. In other words changing and not stable. Uncertain. 

 

5 hours ago, xxxx said:

There’ is ‘no-where’ in an infinity. 

Yup. Does that mean our location is certain or not? Think about it. 

 

5 hours ago, xxxx said:

The explanation is the present moment. 

Which is exactly my point. Any possible explanation for the present moment is itself the unexplainable present moment. So you have to explain the explanation for infinity. Which ends up meaning the present moment just is and we don't know any further. 

 

5 hours ago, xxxx said:

Example : I see your profile picture right now - you fall into my definition of a human, with two eyes, a nose and great hair. I think you are using some gadget to do this right now. I am sure you need some sort of electricity. Your form is what you want it to be. I want you to be a human, so you are. 

How so? How are you absolutely certain that I am a human being? Just because I look like a human being? I could be a ghost who's very good at shape shifting!! 

 

5 hours ago, xxxx said:

Earth is flat, if flat is round, and the Earth is round, if the round is flat. 

It’s all imaginary - and you have given imaginary form.

 

Exactly. The whole point of my thread! 

 

5 hours ago, xxxx said:

You just created the notion that everything is uncertain. You don’t wish for it to be certain. You are certain that you are uncertain. You are uncertain that you are certain. 

 

Is infinity uncertain because you choose to not make sense of it? 

Would infinity be certain if you suddenly decide to ‘play along’ with yourself, to make ‘sense’ of it, haha? 

What is ‘making sense’ of it mean? Is it sense-worthy? 

 

I am sure that you are certainly playing a joke on me right now. 

That's all uncertain. ?

Edited December 27, 2020 by Someone here

[Someone here]

2 hours ago, snowyowl said:

The Universe is flying apart on the mega scale, the Big Bang is still in progress

Why are you certain the universe came from a big bang? Did you personally do the science? No? Then how can you be 100 %certain? 

 

2 hours ago, snowyowl said:

smaller scales, it's a mixture of forces of attraction and repulsion, eg gravity, electromagnetic forces, strong and weak nuclear forces etc. 

Ever seen any of these explanatory tools? There have no phenomenoloical existence (direct experience). They are just concept. 

 

2 hours ago, snowyowl said:

How can we ever prove if we've got to the very bottom without ever more powerful experiments? 

There isn't a "bottom" my dude. It's literally infinite out there lol 

[ivankiss]

13 hours ago, Someone here said:

1. What keeps everything together? 

Love-glue 

13 hours ago, Someone here said:

2.name something that you are absolutely certain of. Like 100 %certain of.  Justify why are you certain of it.

I am certain I'm going to finish typing this sentence. Because Will.

13 hours ago, Someone here said:

3.are you dreaming or awake right now?

Dreaming awake.

13 hours ago, Someone here said:

4. What is the context of existence? This experience that's happening right now.... Where exactly is it happening?

In the center of the Universe (nowhere).

13 hours ago, Someone here said:

5. Is the earth flat or round?

Doughnut.

13 hours ago, Someone here said:

How to ground any knowledge whatsoever that's not contacted with in the immediacy of the present moment? 

Tune in.

##################

Here's a question for ya...

How can you be so certain that you are uncertain of things?

[Someone here]

11 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

Love-glue. 

That's cute and all. You can postulate any metaphysical subtrautum that you "Love". The only correct answer is literally nothing is doing it yet its done. 

12 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

I am certain I'm going to finish typing this sentence.

Ofcourse you weren't. You just Believe you were (are). And certainty is something more than just a thought (a belief). Bottom line you can't be certain about anything in the future by defintion because the future is a belief. 

15 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

Dreaming awake. 

Yup. Made ya question your reality ?

15 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

nowhere

You still imagine that "nowhere" is somewhere. 

 

16 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

Doughnut

LOL 

 

16 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

Here's a question for ya...

How can you be so certain that you are uncertain of things?

I'm not. Or am I? 

[ivankiss]

@Someone here ZzZz

[Someone here]

So that's pretty good mindfuck that everything is uncertain hope that's not too scary for ya ?

[ivankiss]

@Someone here Notice the paradox. You are claiming with absolute certainty that everything is uncertain. 

Contemplate; what is Infinite Will?

[Someone here]

14 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

Notice the paradox. You are claiming with absolute certainty that everything is uncertain. 

Yes it is a paradox. That's not the same as contradiction. Paradox is a feature not a bug. 

Is the statement "everything is uncertain" itself certain or not?   It's uncertain which means the duality breaks down and it's neither certain nor uncertain anymore. It's just what you are left with in present moment. And that's what I'm ultimately trying to get at. 

14 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

Contemplate; what is Infinite Will?

It should be all encompassing. You can't escape what is. I'm just saying each moment there is no saying with absolute certainty what this infinite willl is about to manifest exactly. Examples in OP for clarification. Also quantum mechanics seems to suggest the same thing. Check out uncertainty principle. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle

Edited December 27, 2020 by Someone here

[ivankiss]

@Someone here Certainly.