Biden's United States: Free Market OR Corporate Socialism ?

[Guest Tobia]

I see a lot of naive optimism about the United States and its newly chosen President. I sense that this optimism is based on illusion rather than reality. Optimism, without clarity and intelligence, very quickly becomes delusion and fantasy.

 

In my view, people from the United States of Self-Centeredness fail to capture the signs and hints of a society that is about to collapse. An empire that is about to fall, like every empire in history already has. Will it take another 20 years or 200 years? I don't know, I would guess sooner rather than later.

If you learn about history you'll know that a society that is rotten and corrupt to the core usually doesn't correct its own course and needs to hit rock bottom. I truly feel that the United States is close to its natural, organic fall.

The USA, in fact, is not a free market society but a corporate socialist society. In a true free-market society, corrupt Goldman Sachs would have failed long ago. Let alone have its people appointed in the Presidents' administration. 

The USA's greatest threat has nothing to do with other countries or external threats. Rather, its own military/pharmaceutical industrial complex, its lobbies, its banking system,  its division, its complacency, meaninglessness, and materialism are eroding the base structure of society.

This is not an apocalypse prediction, nor do I think the apocalypse is a correct description. Actually, in the big picture of history, the US empire falling could be a fantastic thing for humanity. But from the ego's perspective, in the short term, it will be very painful

 

[Heart of Space]

There's a lot of naïve optimism?  I think you're confusing relief with Trump being out of office with optimism.  

After reading your post you can clearly see that you are anti-corporatist, but you don't really articulate anything specific.  I'm curious what, say, would be your top three most important factors that will go into this supposedly catastrophic fall of the United States?  

[Apparition of Jack]

It depends what you mean by “fall”.

Certainly the situation won’t be the same as it was in previous decades, especially in relation to the power the US had over the world in geopolitical terms, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that America’s “fall” will be barbarian invasions and massive chaos the same way Rome fell for instance. I think modern society is simply to advanced and too adaptable for something like to happen save for the utmost extreme circumstances, and we’re a long way off from that. 
 

Rather, I think the “fall” will instead be a mindset shift where Americans simply wake up to the fact they’re not as powerful as they once were and that they have to learn to live in a world where China, Europe, India etc are just as if not more powerful than them in a lot of key ways. Of course, to the ego-mind that has been conditioned to believe that America will always be “#1” this might feel like an actual apocalypse, but that doesn’t mean it actually will be. Most American’s lives won’t be drastically different during this process; if anything Americans will become less arrogant and full of themselves.
 

[PepperBlossoms]

One issue with the video above is that it only mentions 4 people and may paint an incomplete picture of the situation.  I presume that the president would have LOTS of people working under him.  Were these people in charge of financials?  Maybe their credentials and understanding of loans and bonds, etc. made them viable candidates for whatever their position was.  Those listed may be stage orange but I predict that he may have at least some stage green sprinkled in there as he has voiced (in the debates) interest in renewable energy, making college more affordable, racism, etc. 

Regarding the government's present issue associated with the use of money - the large debt, expensive college, many in poverty unaffordable medical expenses/minimum wages too low-  It may be helpful to some degree to have people who understand money well and have money backgrounds because our country has money issues.  Although there are good points brought up in that they may be used to serve the interests of the corporations instead of the people/infrastructure (time will tell).

I can see though that we want greens/yellows/turquoises instead of only oranges (on the spiral stage) - There could technically be stage yellows working at these companies and those listed may not necessarily be stage orange - I don't know.

If we want a stage yellow/turquoise president with a unitive ego, we may want to consider creating our own political party as well as getting more people to know about Spiral Dynamics and Ego Development.