Why OSHO shits on politics again and again without mercy

[charlie cho]

OSHO recommended Chuang Tzu's parables in his books list in his 9th best or 10th, I don't know. But reading Chuang Tzu's parables. I could see why OSHO shit on politics repetitively and cruelly. OSHO emphasizes how he thinks anyone who delves into politics is a piece of shit guy. In fact, Chuang Tzu's parables talks about politics a lot ironically, but if you really read the book carefully, more than any other book, I could see every word in Chuang Tzu's mouth has been similar or at least inspired OSHO's vision of the world. I was so curious why OSHO hated politicians so much and even thought that it was OSHO's fault for being too harsh... that maybe he brought it all to himself. 

Anyways, if any of you guys were curious why OSHO shit on politicians so much like me, go and read Chuang Tzu's parables. I swear the book isn't about shitting on politicians, but not only is it trying to help anyone reading it, but it helps people who are leaders who be better governors and managers. And in getting better in leading and governing, he talks about certain mindsets needed to adopt it (or not try to adopt any of it if it makes sense  ) 

Book recommendation for politics, but also if you want to understand where OSHO is coming from : Chuang Tzu's parables.

Oh adding to this, I think I understand why OSHO while representing his commune, why he didn't do anything and let Sheela do everything. Was it good leadership? Or was it bad leadership? Personally, I cannot say what is better or worse. But what i can vouch for is how maybe Chuang Tzu's way of leadership may have inspired OSHO to do nothing and not meddle into the affairs of Rajneesh Ashram. 

[Salvijus]

Don't try to understand him, his whole point was to trigger you. And he did that very successfully. The fact that you can't stop thinking about him is the proof of that.

"You can love me or hate, the only thing I don't want is to be ignored" 

Edited December 24, 2020 by Salvijus

[PurpleTree]

because it's crap

if you guys vote for me as the worlds dictator it'll be beneficial for most though and also for the environment

PurpleTree 2029

[Harikrishnan]

osho grew up in India, what do you expect. ?

[charlie cho]

@Husseinisdoingfine

10 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

\) model, as well as Cook Greuter, those models reveal that not only does reveal of the evolution of human consciousness, but also reveal that humans have to ascend from prior developmental levels to obtain the higher levels. Think about how significant this is, this means that poor human low conscious behavior will never be eliminated, the only thing that will stop this is a monopoly of force. \ol

never be eliminated? only thing that will stop this monopoly is by force? I don't know if you have ever read about machievelli or legalism. Many leaders adopted legalism (a thought that people can only be forced by reward and punishment by law in order to encourage them to do the 'right thing') such as emperor Qin, Shang Yang and they all had bitter ends. Though, it is quite true men are selfish to the very end, there are much faults in what you are saying, because history tells us when leaders force their people with only law, only reward and punishment people will rebel and be unhappy. In other words, a little bit of 'love' is needed. The only question is, how is one to 'love' the people. Confucianists and Taoists agree on this point, but they differ in the way they should 'love' the people. But that's a different subject matter to discuss. Take account famous general called Wu Qi or Sima Yang who were extremely legalistic, tried to force people to do the right thing, and they met bitter ends. Though they were right in enacting certain diplomacies and laws, the 'way' in which they did it was in a hurry, without patience, and too cruel. That is the flawed nature of forcing people to do the right thing. And that is what Confucianism and Taoism had a problem with. 

And just because you think nature set people up this way (being selfish), are you going to then give up on it? Why not fight with nature? Just because the universe set the world to be a mess like it is right now... are you going to just let it burn? What kind of person are you? Reading the things you have said, it just discredited yourself at this point. What if it's your mother you are talking about? Your own village? Your own town's people who are in that mess, ripping each other apart? What if it's yourself? It's so irresponsible to think that way. "NATURE SET IT THIS WAY, AND WE CANNOT DO A THING ABOUT IT" 

While you have discredited OSHO, i had no problem with it. I am in no position to say OSHO's leadership was good in any way, and I have never said that on the post. I was just saying, I realize why OSHO may have been like that with his rajneesh ashram while reading Chuang Tzu's parables. I have never said OSHO did the 'right thing' . And you are right, OSHO was an anarchist. So was Chuang Tzu. That's why I'm asking people to check out Chuang Tzu if you want to understand what OSHO was trying to do with regards to leadership and governing people. You immediately understand why OSHO might have not meddled into the affairs of the ashram and let his secretaries do all the hard work . Yet, you are saying as if anarchism as a whole is bullshit like a simpleton. As if the world can be set in order if all anarchists are eliminated and people all only vouch for communists. That is what Communism is. A social structure to control people into doing good. Your solution is to control people. Nothing gets more simpleton than that. Read what the anarchists have to say and then argue your point, don't be closed minded. Their thoughts about anarchism is different from any other anarchists you think about. 

Edited December 25, 2020 by charlie cho

[Gesundheit]

14 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

LOL, I had started a thread in the Conscious Politics General exactly like this. Anyways, just because someone is enlightened doesn't mean they're going to have a vast knowledge of how Government works, remember that OSHO existed before the SDi model or Clair Gravies.

Osho is of course onto something, politics is definitely in it's current form incredibly corrupt, and selfish. America as it exists today is a façade of a Democratic system masking corporate interests. But where Osho is wrong is his solution to the politics, in his view the solution is to get everyone conscious enough to a point where we will all live in Communes, fun fact Osho was a self admitted Anarchist.

This is absolute crap though, an Anarchist society is never going to be able to regulate all of the complexities of modern life. I'm sorry to all of you New Age Antifa Anarcho-Syndicalist Vegan assholes but I do not want something as complex as an airplane to be regulated by my local yoga instructor from his Ashram.

Also, referring back to the SDi (spiral dynamics) model, as well as Cook Greuter, those models reveal that not only does reveal of the evolution of human consciousness, but also reveal that humans have to ascend from prior developmental levels to obtain the higher levels. Think about how significant this is, this means that poor human low conscious behavior will never be eliminated, the only thing that will stop this is a monopoly of force. 

So, Osho is absolutely correct that politics (as it exists) is a low conscious pursuit, but his solution to this is all wrong. 

P.S. I suspect he has a vengeance against politicians simply because they shut down his commune lol

Yes, and you're right because you're a kid who spent half of his life on the internet watching YouTube videos, while Osho was just a naive old man who'd magically gotten to leadership.

[charlie cho]

@Harikrishnan Yeah, that's true.... But still, I don't think OSHO would be a person easily manipulated by his surroundings. I don't think he would be so antagonistic to politicians for the sole reason that indian politicians are very corrupt. Seems to me, he was criticizing the politicians as a whole, not only indians, if you ask me.