What is a me? And what truly is consciousness?

[Javfly33]

I don´t know what is consciousness, but is what you fundamentally are.

You are not a concept, you are not an idea. 

[caspex]

"What truly is consciousness?" Who the fuck knows man. Probably me. LOL

[snowyowl]

Consciousness is simply just This. It's the easiest thing to see, yet difficult to explain.  'Me' is when This has the thought of an observer looking from inside to outside. 

[BipolarGrowth]

@Breakingthewall this makes me think of trying to take the terror out of a nightmare. You could I guess, but isn’t that kind of the point of a nightmare? As far as suffering goes, it seems by the rules of this reality that we are meant to experience it. Now whether we transcend it in this life is another topic. 

[VeganAwake]

Watch from 32:14 - 34:20 ❤

 

[Moksha]

8 hours ago, BipolarGrowth said:

@Breakingthewall this makes me think of trying to take the terror out of a nightmare. You could I guess, but isn’t that kind of the point of a nightmare? As far as suffering goes, it seems by the rules of this reality that we are meant to experience it. Now whether we transcend it in this life is another topic. 

The purpose of suffering is to teach you how not to suffer.

[Breakingthewall]

suffering is inherent in complex life, living beings have to suffer to be driven to escape from that suffering. hunger, pain, etc. It is a survival mechanism, but in the human it takes on another dimension, since the thought system forms an identity, and creates the past and the future. the ego, let's say, and the ego is a machine to suffer, and even more the ego of today. In the past your ego used to say: we have come to this cruel world to suffer, in the next life we will have dinner with the Valkyries or whatever. You must do that and this, and relax. Today he says: in this life you have to enjoy every minute and everything has to be perfect, and when you die ... no no, that is forbidden, it doesn't exist. So we have a very complicated ego, perfect for the suffering. we have no choice but to transcend it. Most of suffering is about the identity, the mistreating of people in the past, be a looser, things that should have been different, like that, another about fear to the future, sickness, death, poverty, be a looser, etc, and really small percentage is real suffering in the present moment. Well, the others are happening now too, but auto induced for the mind

Edited December 27, 2020 by Breakingthewall

[VeganAwake]

10 hours ago, BipolarGrowth said:

Now whether we transcend it in this life is another topic. 

The Transcendence is the dropping of resistance to each and every current situation. 

Sort of like having your preferences be whatever arises.

[Moksha]

17 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

The Transcendence is the dropping of resistance to each and every current situation. 

Sort of like having your preferences be whatever arises.

This is true, but to clarify, it doesn't imply complacency with the status quo. Always accept what is, but also take action when change is required.

[snowyowl]

15 minutes ago, Moksha said:

This is true, but to clarify, it doesn't imply complacency with the status quo. Always accept what is, but also take action when change is required.

Tricky this, because the status quo includes all our reactions and inner stuff: complacency, apathy, indignation, compassion, hatred, lust, you name it. Change of a particular type is never required, but sometimes flows naturally when Love is present (through non-resistance?). 

[Moksha]

30 minutes ago, snowyowl said:

Tricky this, because the status quo includes all our reactions and inner stuff: complacency, apathy, indignation, compassion, hatred, lust, you name it. Change of a particular type is never required, but sometimes flows naturally when Love is present (through non-resistance?). 

Yes, it is tricky. Not only the emotions, but even the acceptance or resistance itself, is dream stuff. I would say that required change is another name for right action. It is required, only in the sense that Love asks it of us. If a person is in an abusive relationship that is unlikely to change, Love may ask that person to leave the relationship. The same is true for any other unhealthy attachment. Whether or not we respond to Love is up to us. More precisely, whether or not Love resonates with itself, as Love, is up to Love

[VeganAwake]

2 hours ago, Moksha said:

This is true, but to clarify, it doesn't imply complacency with the status quo. Always accept what is, but also take action when change is required.

Yes, when the inner resistance to circumstance is dropped and no longer a personal interlog being created, it's easier to make better decisions for the whole as opposed to a self centered agenda.

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Moksha said:

Always accept what is, but also take action when change is required.

I think that when you understand that what happens in some way is deliberate, you know in an intuitive but clear way that you should accept and that you should not, and when you have a fight ahead

[Moksha]

@VeganAwake I knew you already knew, just clarifying for those that may not yet know. It's a common trap to confuse acceptance of what is, with rejection of what could be.

@Breakingthewall Isn't that the secret of living? This intuition of acceptance, vs. change. Either way, realization is the pathway to freedom. Being ourselves frees us from ourselves.