How can this benefit humanity?

[Kalki Avatar]

Please, can someone explain to me what the Globalists mean when they say "owning nothing and having no privacy" will be the best thing for humanity? 

 

[Heart of Space]

I'd need more specifics on the owning nothing comment.

In terms of privacy, it's overrated.  I fully submit to our AI overlords who will be able to predict human behavior and create an economic system with approaching perfect efficiency.  AI will rule and shape societies using our data and for that to be effective we have to be as transparent as possible as individuals.

[Kalki Avatar]

@Heart of Space  Thats an interesting point on the AI and effiency. 

What troubles me is why they dont say themselves, "we shall become transparent as a collective for these reasons..." but instead bluntly state "no privacy" as a whole concept. Theres no way having no privacy can be beneficial to a person even as a transparent enligthened being. 

Even becoming drastically and suddenly transparent at such rate would not be healthy nor possible. It would be chaotic for the world. 

What is even being done for us to become transparent? Is our education aiming towards this on people? Are the politicans working towards this by example? Are the masses even mentally prepared? 

The fact that a power organization as the wef shows a care face to the world when nothing that supports it has ever been done or is imposed or that not even them can carry their word, leads to my suspicion of hidden motives. 

Edited December 23, 2020 by Kalki Avatar

[RedLine]

people own nothing and they own everything

it is not about "best thing for humanity", it is about power

 

 

[Heart of Space]

58 minutes ago, Kalki Avatar said:

@Heart of Space  Thats an interesting point on the AI and effiency. 

What troubles me is why they dont say themselves, "we shall become transparent as a collective for these reasons..." but instead bluntly state "no privacy" as a whole concept. Theres no way having no privacy can be beneficial to a person even as a transparent enligthened being. 

Even becoming drastically and suddenly transparent at such rate would not be healthy nor possible. It would be chaotic for the world. 

What is even being done for us to become transparent? Is our education aiming towards this on people? Are the politicans working towards this by example? Are the masses even mentally prepared? 

The fact that a power organization as the wef shows a care face to the world when nothing that supports it has ever been done or is imposed or that not even them can carry their word, leads to my suspicion of hidden motives. 

I mean, living in the US with the NSA and data collection by corporate entities, how much privacy do you really have?  

What is the value in privacy?  Why is not having it bad?  

There is massive benefit and practical application of using data to predict human behavior such that it could create a better society.

In terms of the time frame you possibly have a good point.  But I think most people who are afraid of this sort of future are irrationally afraid.  People are very conspiratorial when it comes to this topic.

[Claymoree]

I think they mean that everything will be in hands of government, basically Socialism@Communism, which will decide who gets what, making people dependable on them on everything , not owning anything. That is what they already are trying to push.

 

[Nahm]

2 hours ago, Heart of Space said:

Why is not having it bad?

Picture boot camp, but a more subtle tearing down of human psyches over a broad span of time, by stripping away expression via dissolving privacy. Imagine the local small scale for frame of reference. If the police or military inappropriately inordinately locked down or took over your city, where would people meet to discuss, plan, unite? They wouldn’t. If that were the intention but no laws were broken (they totally have been already many times over) then this would be the most effective logical approach, and it’d have nothing to do with fear or conspiracy. 

Did you know the police can walk into your house without a warrant, take you, and detain you for the rest of your life, without notifying anyone and without any trial, and it is perfectly legal? 

[Heart of Space]

1 minute ago, Nahm said:

Picture boot camp, but a more subtle tearing down of human psyches over a broad span of time, by stripping away expression via dissolving privacy. Imagine the local small scale for frame of reference.If the police or military inappropriately inordinately locked down or took over your city, where would people meet to discuss, plan, unite? 

Yea, the only good argument against it would be the misuse of power by the establishment.  Don't get me wrong, that is a very pertinent point to consider, but I think that is becoming less and less relevant as society advances.  The more we are capable of creating a government institution that makes wise decisions for the betterment of society, the more beneficial handing power to that institution is.  The more we progress, the more power will become centralized that way.  

[Nahm]

@Heart of Space

The things already mentioned in this thread don’t qualify?!?! 

[Heart of Space]

2 minutes ago, Nahm said:

@Heart of Space

The things already mentioned in this thread don’t qualify?!?! 

As reasons for why privacy is good?  What are you responding to exactly?

[Heart of Space]

As far as misuse of power and potential recourse by the citizenry, the cat is out of the bag.  

Good luck being able to organize a government take over in a first world country.  

People are far too comfortable and complacent and the government already far too powerful.  Valuing privacy for that purpose at this point is relatively pointless.

[bejapuskas]

Just now, Heart of Space said:

Valuing privacy for that purpose at this point is relatively pointless.

Are you white?

[Heart of Space]

1 minute ago, bejapuskas said:

Are you white?

Oh, I'm very white.  Why do you ask lol?

[Nahm]

28 minutes ago, Heart of Space said:

As reasons for why privacy is good?  What are you responding to exactly?

Misuse of power by the establishment. 

 

[Heart of Space]

Just now, Nahm said:

Misuse of power by the establishment. 

 

Well, I won't argue too much.  It's a valid concern for sure.

[Nahm]

@Heart of Space ??

[bejapuskas]

43 minutes ago, Heart of Space said:

Oh, I'm very white.  Why do you ask lol?

@Heart of Space  Because the police usually knocks on the door of black families 

[Parththakkar12]

Ah, what happened to the good old days when we could say 'This is wrong'. That's become too politically incorrect now, I guess.

Serious question - Where would you draw the line? Or are we going to say 'Don't you know everything is One? Don't you know that there are no lines?' When is it too much? At what point do we say 'no'? Is saying 'no' politically incorrect now? I will advise you to contemplate these questions.

This is cult-like. In fact, this is a cult. This is exactly what a cult does. They will brainwash you with a utopian fantasy, they will tell you to give up all your possessions and then be like 'Oh, you know. It's going to be all peaches and cream.' I will advise you to consider this. 

[Dryas]

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Author's note: Some people have read this blog as my utopia or dream of the future. It is not. It is a scenario showing where we could be heading - for better and for worse. I wrote this piece to start a discussion about some of the pros and cons of the current technological development. When we are dealing with the future, it is not enough to work with reports. We should start discussions in many new ways. This is the intention with this piece.

https://t.co/N41KLXo27Q?amp=1

Edited December 23, 2020 by Dryas

[PurpleTree]

no thanks, if they (these decision makers) don't want to own anything, that's great they can go into an ashram or whatever

but let me decide for myself, thanks guys

also i value privacy

Edited December 23, 2020 by PurpleTree