Why people don't question reality enough?

[Nahm]

There aren’t really any people. ?

The question really is why doesn’t reality question reality. The answer is because it is the answer.

[seeking_brilliance]

@Hulia since I can only speak from direct experience, I've only truly ever found myself. Not @seeking_brilliance but a type of myself that persists throughout any dream, regardless of what the  memory story is. When I see leo, it's fun to believe there's a leo talking to me, but simultaneously I know I'm seeing more of a dream character.  There are shapes, colours, movement and audio, and I call it a 'Leo'. It even seems to call itself that.  But I only see in mirrors. Therefore, I only see more of myself(or whatever) not really some Leo figure.  Can apply this ad infinitum... 

Edited December 23, 2020 by seeking_brilliance

[seeking_brilliance]

10 minutes ago, Nahm said:

There aren’t really any people. ?

The question really is why doesn’t reality question reality. The answer is because it is the answer.

Well why question the obvious? There's got to be much better explanations out there, right? ?

[VeganAwake]

Maybe subconsciously they know it's unknowable... 

[Someone here]

2 hours ago, Nahm said:

There aren’t really any people. ?

The question really is why doesn’t reality question reality. The answer is because it is the answer.

That's true.   And false ofcourse. 

 we can still dissect it and find nuances and psychological reasons more and More. Its not just "it's the way it is". Also consider relativity. There is no people is an absolute statement. There are no absolute statements in reality. From a very commonly used perspective (which what we all practice) there IS people ofcourse. And it's mind boggling why it never occurred for some of them to question their existence. Since they are constantly confronted with the mystery. 

[Someone here]

2 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Maybe subconsciously they know it's unknowable... 

Except it's totally knowable. That's what enlightenment is all about. It's a different type of "knowledge" tho. It's direct without intermediate. You can fully know it because you ARE it. Who else can? 

[lmfao]

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Why people don't question reality enough?

It be unfortunate like that. It's luck of inborn temperament, life experience and other factors. It can make you start to feel like everyone around is an NPC lmao 
 
@electrobeam nailed it on the head about suffering and misery

Edited December 23, 2020 by lmfao

[Someone here]

@lmfao

BS. 

[VeganAwake]

On 12/23/2020 at 8:39 AM, Someone here said:

Except it's totally knowable. That's what enlightenment is all about. It's a different type of "knowledge" tho. It's direct without intermediate. You can fully know it because you ARE it. Who else can? 

Well you could say it's a knowing the futility of thinking someone knows.

Even Osho would make gnostic jokes from time to time mentioning how if anyone is creating such apparent meaningless suffering in the world...its the devil.

[zeroISinfinity]

On 23.12.2020. at 2:59 PM, Nahm said:

There aren’t really any people. ?

What?! Buy glasses man asap. 

On 23.12.2020. at 2:59 PM, Nahm said:

The question really is why doesn’t reality question reality. The answer is because it is the answer.

It's Love. 

[Someone here]

14 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Well you could say it's a knowing the futility of thinking someone knows.

Oh this is false. Since there is no difference between not knowing and knowing. Egoically speaking.. You know nothing. Cuz we can't find the entity that we attach "knowledge" to. But the body can still remember where is the car keys?

. But since the illusion is reality. It is possible to know. 

 Meditation is an illusion.. yet it wakes you up. Psychedelics is an illusion.. yet it wakes you up.

Science is an illusion.. yet it creates 5 meo dmt which wakes you up

 

Leo has made critiques of science and rationality in the past because its symbolic and does not represent the truth - which fine thats right.

 

Yet this symbolic delusion created a symbolic concept called chemistry.. which created psychedelics.. which wakes you the fuck up!

[Nahm]

12 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Oh this is false. Since there is no difference between not knowing and knowing.

Yet.. “this is false “. 

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Egoically speaking.. You know nothing. Cuz we can't find the entity that we attach "knowledge" to.

Go prior, inspect the a priori ‘we’. Inspect what was said, what is this ‘attach to’. Tape, super glue? What is that? 

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But the body can still remember where is the car keys?

Inspect the actual direct experience. It isn’t of a body remembering. 

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. But since the illusion is reality. It is possible to know. 

An illusion is an experience you’re mistaking. Thought to be X but is not X. 

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 Meditation is an illusion.. yet it wakes you up. Psychedelics is an illusion.. yet it wakes you up.

Science is an illusion.. yet it creates 5 meo dmt which wakes you up

What “wakes up” infinity? 

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Leo has made critiques of science and rationality in the past because its symbolic and does not represent the truth - which fine thats right.

Yet this symbolic delusion created a symbolic concept called chemistry.. which created psychedelics.. which wakes you the fuck up!

Me, you & Leo are as real as science, rationality, symbols, chemistry, psychedelics, and a you which wakes up. (All appearance). That which debunks symbols is the symbol of debunking symbols. 

[zeroISinfinity]

4 hours ago, Nahm said:

Yet.. “this is false “. 

Go prior, inspect the a priori ‘we’. Inspect what was said, what is this ‘attach to’. Tape, super glue? What is that? 

Inspect the actual direct experience. It isn’t of a body remembering. 

An illusion is an experience you’re mistaking. Thought to be X but is not X. 

What “wakes up” infinity? 

Me, you & Leo are as real as science, rationality, symbols, chemistry, psychedelics, and a you which wakes up. (All appearance). That which debunks symbols is the symbol of debunking symbols. 

Wow you nailed it down. 100%.

I always say @Nahm is your guy regarding this stuff. 

Sounds nihilistic but it's not. 

Edited December 25, 2020 by zeroISinfinity

[Someone here]

9 hours ago, Nahm said:

Yet.. “this is false “.

Yes. Every statement is true and false simultaneously 

Because it can be interpreted differently. This is called relativity. Leo has a nice juicy episode about it. Check it out! 

9 hours ago, Nahm said:

Go prior, inspect the a priori ‘we’. Inspect what was said, what is this ‘attach to’. Tape, super glue? What is that

Not sure where are you going with this hair splitting and picking on words. We could go on like this forever. 

 

9 hours ago, Nahm said:

Inspect the actual direct experience. It isn’t of a body remembering. 

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Oh yeah it is ofcourse. Yet it can be reframed and described in an infinite number of ways. 

9 hours ago, Nahm said:

An illusion is an experience you’re mistaking. Thought to be X but is not X. 

Exactly. This applies to the "separate self" as well. It's for you to figure out. 

 

9 hours ago, Nahm said:

What “wakes up” infinity? 

Itself. In a form of a psychedelic or a Guru or meditation practice etc 

 

9 hours ago, Nahm said:

Me, you & Leo are as real as science, rationality, symbols, chemistry, psychedelics, and a you which wakes up. (All appearance). That which debunks symbols is the symbol of debunking symbols. 

 These things exist. They just do not exist independently but they do exist. I mean like "come on" lol 

[VeganAwake]

20 hours ago, Someone here said:

Meditation is an illusion.. yet it wakes you up. Psychedelics is an illusion.. yet it wakes you up.

Science is an illusion.. yet it creates 5 meo dmt which wakes you up

which wakes you the fuck up!

Awakening is the recognition there was never a YOU asleep in which could wake up.

That's why the best word to describe it is illusion.

When Awakening occurs the YOU is recognized to have never been real.

Hence the phrase nobody wakes up.

Hence the phrase nobody becomes enlightened.

Hence the phrase separation is an illusion.

Hence the phrase all is one.

Can't have real separation when it's recognized there was never a YOU or OTHER in the first place in which could be separate.

❤

[Hulia]

On 23.12.2020 at 3:08 PM, seeking_brilliance said:

@Hulia since I can only speak from direct experience, I've only truly ever found myself. Not @seeking_brilliance but a type of myself that persists throughout any dream, regardless of what the  memory story is. When I see leo, it's fun to believe there's a leo talking to me, but simultaneously I know I'm seeing more of a dream character.  There are shapes, colours, movement and audio, and I call it a 'Leo'. It even seems to call itself that.  But I only see in mirrors. Therefore, I only see more of myself(or whatever) not really some Leo figure.  Can apply this ad infinitum... 

Now I understand what you mean, I didn´t at first. You are describing a dream! It´s the same for me in a dream. Shapes, colours, movements.. they say the same things which I would say (even the guides), have the same sense of humour.. Apart of the 3-dimensional dreams where another person is present, a person which has the same dream. But even in these dreams this another person is about 30% me. 

But in the reality, when I don´t sleep. I don´t perceive other people to be me. Not at all. I may feel very close to someone but it´s not the same.

[seeking_brilliance]

16 minutes ago, Hulia said:

But in the reality, when I don´t sleep. I don´t perceive other people to be me. Not at all. I may feel very close to someone but it´s not the same.

Sure, that's part of the fun.  It would be hard to hate your enemy if you were constantly reminded that you're only hating yourself.  

Even in a lucid dream, I see the characters as separate, otherwise they wouldn't be as fun to interact with

[Someone here]

2 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Awakening is the recognition there was never a YOU 

that's not complete awakening. only one facet of Awakening. 

You still have to go full circle and recognize that YOU ARE EVERYTHING.  

[zeroISinfinity]

28 minutes ago, Someone here said:

that's not complete awakening. only one facet of Awakening. 

You still have to go full circle and recognize that YOU ARE EVERYTHING.  

✔️ Skipping actual practises and experiencing yourself as IT (full scope) can't be substituted with some philosophizing or youtube videos from some "masters". I do like @VeganAwake. 

[Someone here]

@zeroISinfinity listening to masters lol no one here understands what awakening is expect Leo. If you like to settle for this mediocre no self nonsense go for it. By all means