I Finally Got It, Iraq Is A Psuedu-Country.

[Mesopotamian]

It took me a long time to finally realize that I am living in a Psuedu-Country that's Iraq. I am tired to hear about westerners having the notion of how "they fucked up Iraq". Let's just go back to the basics. A "Country" or "Republic" is a concept, and this concept was imposed during the 20th century, then international laws were put in place after World War II in order to support it.

Iraq is one of those countries where the concept has been heavily imposed on it. Until the beginning of 20th century, Iraq was a collection of tribes, scattered between small cities spanning over a large region of land, and then the British gave it its first government, then its first king (or in reverse), after that it has been living in unstable times since then, we had  communists, then socialist Bathists making countless bloody revolutions, and then we had 4 wars in 4 decades, starting from the Iranian war, then Desert Storm, then Iraqi Freedom, and then ISIS.

Today Iraq enters its 5th major wave of instability because of low oil prices, and while oil makes 95% of its income, it has no industry, and no solid economy. The economy, after Saddam has gone, depended on state-sponsored jobs, which paid about 6.5 Millions employees, in a country that has 40 million, and majority of those employees has jobs that serves the expansion of the population, not jobs that produce any product or services, not for them or the rest of the world. We are very closed country, we have self-imposed walls on our societies where no mixing in societies can happen, and certainly not with the outer world.

Let's dive deeper, those "Iraqi" people actually do not have any credit for discovering oil, and no credit on developing oil technology, and then Saddam Hussain stole the oil facilities when he ended the monopoly of international companies in 70s. So the oil Industry is stolen entirely.

So nothing has been truly earned by "Iraqis", not the independence from the Brits, not the money that's flowing from deep, not the oil technology, and the Iraqis didn't struggle to earn all of these. Therefore right now, Iraqis are like millennials, they are entitled people and majority have no fucking idea about anything. They are a bunch of morons indeed (I used to be one). And in my opinion, disasters are going to continue to hit this "country" until someone realize like "wait a minute, there's something wrong"!

America Didn't Fuck Up Iraq, But Created A Working Democracy (in my opinion)

Yes we now have a functioning democracy! Except that the nation is split, and there are two levels of citizens, the first class citizens (anyone who is an official and have bodyguards) and then the slaves (like me) The first is living a democratic life, with lots of freedoms, and they have their own palace, safe haven, which is the "green zone", and there are peasants like me, who have no rights at all as citizens, and that's vivid in my case, cause I have no society to belong to, cuz I don't give a damn about the culture an I always been a rebel.

The first class citizen can have freedom of movement, and speech, but I don't have freedom to do anything, not even rent a place, this is why I am living in a hotel room.

Finally, Is Iraq a 3rd world country?

This is a funny term indeed, and whoever coined it is a funny person. Because it admits that there are legit countries on one hand, and on the other hand, there are 'other' types of countries, and from here, I invite you all to deconstruct this delusion and stop seeing some countries as countries, they are certainly something else, maybe a freak, or I don't know, but they ARE NOT a countreis.

I won't talk about the technology that has been sold to Iraqis, it is one reason why their life is better, but without a real country at all, many of them will suffer, simply because the fact that their number has increased while their income source "the oil" decreases in prices with no hope of it ever gaining its momentum in the next few years. It is the uncontrolled sale of technology, including medical technology, that's also a factor in the misery of Iraqis. Had there wasn't such technology and medical knowledge, it would have been a different situation where numbers of people are fewer than now, and they would have a hope to survive, but this is what science does I guess.

Edited December 21, 2020 by Mesopotamian

[Preety_India]

A few pointers 

• Dependency on oil needs to go away 

• Population does not need any more expansion 

• Dependency on western countries needs to go away 

• Focus on education, development of democracy and progressive green values 

• No more dictatorship and no more dependency on religion. Religion as a state is obsolete. 

[Mesopotamian]

1 minute ago, Preety_India said:

A few pointers 

• Dependency on oil needs to go away 

• Population does not need any more expansion 

• Dependency on western countries needs to go away 

• Focus on education, development of democracy and progressive green values 

• No more dictatorship and no more dependency on religion. Religion as a state is obsolete. 

You're so delusional sister

[Preety_India]

Lol. What. 

Explain. 

[Username]

@Preety_India  Green values and democracy in stage Red country?

[Mesopotamian]

Just now, neutralempty said:

I see you have grief against your country.

What's your reason? You have a hard time identifiying with it?

I am telling you it is not a country, and if it is not a country, it is certainly not mine. The city I live in is my country per say, and it is in a sense more of a country, than the country itself.

There's no grief.

[Preety_India]

@Username  

Eventually all stage Red countries have to aim towards that. 

 

[Preety_India]

2 minutes ago, Mesopotamian said:

I am telling you it is not a country,

And how do you aim for it to become a country in your opinion? 

 

[Preety_India]

@Mesopotamian

If you don't have a proper goal in your mind, there's no point in such a discussion. 

 

[Mesopotamian]

5 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

And how do you aim for it to become a country in your opinion? 

 

I actually hate to even begin to converse with stage-green people. I find stage green as dogmatic folks. So sorry I cannot continue answering your primitive questions.

[Preety_India]

Smh 

A person wanting a discussion is dogmatic?

In my opinion, it should be the other way round. 

Anyway it's your country and I was only trying to steer the discussion forward.

It seems like you want to complain but you aren't too keen on trying to get something done. Goodluck. 

 

[Mesopotamian]

5 minutes ago, neutralempty said:

@Mesopotamian maybe that is your problem? do you have one? that you cannot see it as country and you want it to be a country.

How do you think it will develop from there?

It won't develop, just stop your delusions. It just won't.

Try to entertain the idea that because the concept of a country is imposed and pushed down the throats of the world, some "countries" might never ever evolve, but they can create chaos and unnecessary pain and suffering. Your will for Iraq to evolve will result in a genocide one day.

[Mesopotamian]

Just now, Preety_India said:

Anyway it's your country and I was only trying to steer the discussion forward.

It seems like you want to complain but you aren't too keen on trying to get something done. Goodluck. 

Why you are trying to push a concept down my throat ha? can't you just stop pushing these concepts and fantasies to everybody's throat? I'll tell you why, people like yourself have been responsible for genocides not too far from where I live.

[Preety_India]

@Mesopotamian  you don't realize that democracy itself is a stage green concept. 

You cannot have a functioning democracy without stage green, or else it becomes very fixed, and regresses into stage Blue bureaucracy. For democracy to remain a democracy you need stage Green. 

 

[Mesopotamian]

Just now, neutralempty said:

@Mesopotamian

I see, so it's deep bitter pain inside you. Not saying it's unjustified.

What made it though? What do you think makes a country a country? Curious to know.

It was pain at some point, then now it is not. Maybe the bitterness because of people who want to push this idea on everybody like a religion, A country is just a FUCKING CONCEPT. no more than that. You think countries are real?

Some countries though have spent tremendous effort to look as a unified country, but this won't work in every part of the world. Go back read my post, I basically have no civil rights in today's Iraq. No rights at all. No passport, no rights to rent a home, no rights to buy a car, no right to speak without getting killed, no right even to move freely from city to city. If I go out from my city to another one, at least 10 checkpoints will check my name and see if it on the list of terrorists, so basically it is very fragmented country, you have no right to move, no right to speak, and if you unlock other basic rights like renting a home, then  you need to be a believer and married in a mosque or a church, otherwise nobody will give you permission to even rent a home, and no home owner will rent you one. We are at point where not only LGPTQs are not accepted, but singles are considered evil, so  you have to marry and have kids.

Needlesee to say there's no public transportation system between cities, and as I said, each city is its own state. I hope you read those twice before asking cuz I won't elaborate further if you can't image what I am telling you. Don't give me advice.

[Preety_India]

@Mesopotamian well that's because of religion. 

Get the religion out of the country and then you can have a country. 

[Parththakkar12]

22 minutes ago, Mesopotamian said:

I am telling you it is not a country, and if it is not a country, it is certainly not mine. The city I live in is my country per say, and it is in a sense more of a country, than the country itself.

There's no grief.

What you are saying is very interesting to me. I'd never thought of it this way.

I am curious - Do Iraqi passports exist? Do you have one? Can you go to a legit country using it?

The rest of the world does know Iraq as a 'country'. They'll be like 'Yeah, every country has their internal problems. We're going to consider Iraq as a country, so we consider an Iraqi passport as a legit passport' if it is a legit passport.

[Mesopotamian]

5 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

@Mesopotamian  you don't realize that democracy itself is a stage green concept. 

You cannot have a functioning democracy without stage green, or else it becomes very fixed, and regresses into stage Blue bureaucracy. For democracy to remain a democracy you need stage Green. 

 

No you don't Spiral dynamic is a fucking model that doesn't apply everywhere. These stages are mere projections of the mind. We have democracy, and I love George Bush, he's my hero indeed. I love him and hold him high in my heart. I hope I meet him one day and thank him for his courage to step in and remove a moron line Saddam

[Preety_India]

Just now, Mesopotamian said:

I love him and hold him high in my heart. I hope I meet him one day and thank him for his courage to step in and remove a moron line Saddam

What you're describing right now is stage Green. 

It's one democracy trying to save other countries. 

Such initiatives are taken at stage Green level of democracy 

[Mesopotamian]

Just now, Parththakkar12 said:

I am curious - Do Iraqi passports exist? Do you have one? Can you go to a legit country using it?

I don't, I lost my passport, since I became an atheist once, and then I had stage-green American friends at some point, then I had a GF, and I clashed with my family and then now I am the black goat, living in a hotel room alone. There's no permission to rent a home for singles, cause we are at an era where not only against LGBTQs, but where singles are considered evil to society. The are, as well as terrorists, denied the rights to rent a home, and therefore I don't have an address card (cuz everyone should have one), and this in turn takes away all my rights. NO home, no passport, no opening business, no car ownership, not even renewing my citizenship documents and get the new ID.

4 minutes ago, Parththakkar12 said:

The rest of the world does know Iraq as a 'country'. They'll be like 'Yeah, every country has their internal problems. We're going to consider Iraq as a country, so we consider an Iraqi passport as a legit passport' if it is a legit passport.

It is not a country, It is a Kingdom, with peasants and kings. You want to see it as a country because it serves your personal agenda I guess. but do a little research and I can help you see (by answering your questions) how the idea of a country is forced down its throat.