London going into Tier 4 Lockdown

[levani]

I mean I am completely aware that politicians are politicians because they are more capable than the rest of the society. But Boris changing his mind after two days Of saying that we will have Christmas is kind of f***** up.
 

I understand that the risk is higher in London and Buckinghamshire and kent but I don't understand why not lock down the whole country instead of just the specific high-volume places

 

What are your thoughts ?

[Danioover9000]

@levani

1 minute ago, levani said:

I mean I am completely aware that politicians are politicians because they are more capable than the rest of the society. But Boris changing his mind after two days Of saying that we will have Christmas is kind of f***** up.
 

I understand that the risk is higher in London and Buckinghamshire and kent but I don't understand why not lock down the whole country instead of just the specific high-volume places

 

What are your thoughts ?

   Because those places have higher risks of spreading the virus more, and some areas have lower risks of spreading the virus. Basically, you just answered yourself.

   Politicians are not just politicians, they are human too and have to work with whatever available information they have at the time, and sometimes they make mistakes because almost all the information is partial, and incomplete. 

[levani]

5 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

have to work with whatever available information they have at the time, and sometimes they make mistakes because almost all the information is partial, and incomplete. 

Then why wait 2 months to close the borders in February/March, They have the information but they didn't act on it.

Why did Taiwan managed to close everything and have 7 deaths and we had 60k deaths ?

it can not only be that democratic countries are strict and therefore the people are obedient in them and in this country people are not obedient and therefore cause this shit

[PepperBlossoms]

It is tough.  Might as well lock down the entire country and try to eliminate it more instead of just doing a partial -some areas and not others - lockdown.

That is a good point - what is the point of locking down one area if another area can still interact and spread it that way and then just spread it back to the big area?

We need a world-wide lockdown - and we need all countries to interact.  And those that do not lockdown will have banned travel/exports/imports to and from.

 

[levani]

@PepperBlossoms I couldn't agree more that this is very stage yellow and the fortunately people or not see it like that especially maybe country leaders

[Consept]

I live in Buckinghamshire, obviously everyone's pissed about it. Basically what they've been trying to do for a while is balance people getting back to normal with controlling the spread of the disease, so if cases are rising in one area it doesn't make sense to shut down the whole country, people were complaining about that, like if they live in a town where there no cases why should they shutdown, people are also complaining about the economy. Its a shit situation in general so its hard to keep everyone happy whatever route is taken. 

The other thing is that you're not actually allowed to go to other areas if you live in a tier 4 area. It's a hard job, I don't know what I would do different, but a criticism I would have is that Johnson (who I wouldn't consider the best of us lol) needs to tell people earlier what's going on, this telling people to celebrate Xmas and then changing his mind 2 days later is obviously gonna piss everyone off, I don't know if he got new information or whatever, but maybe he should've held off until it was certain. There's a lot of distrust for him anyway because of the whole brexit debacle, but at least with covid they've listened to science and taken measures, the way it was done wasn't the best but I think the core idea is to save lives and balance the economy 

 

[PurpleTree]

Isn't it because they found a new covid strain in the UK?

[levani]

@Consept how sure are they that this new strain really exists though ?

[Moon]

12 hours ago, levani said:

I understand that the risk is higher in London and Buckinghamshire and kent but I don't understand why not lock down the whole country instead of just the specific high-volume places

This is how Northerners have been feeling for months whilst the South has had relatively less restrictions. People are going to complain either way.

Also, only HOURS before Eid in the North, local lockdowns were announced lmao.

Obvs not comparable to Christmas in England and it does suck. But again, people would still be complaining if these restrictions weren't there for Christmas. Idk man, the situation is gonna stay shitty until at least a year from now I'd say...

 

[levani]

@Moon i'd say if the people were more obedient and the Prime Minister shows borders two months before the first actual lockdown then we would be a lot more like Taiwan which has seven deaths

 

I still really believe though it's not the Prime Minister's fault I really believe it's the people because there is way more of them and the Prime Minister's and all of the politicians

 

I still really believe though it's not the Prime Minister's fault I really believe it's the people because there is way more of them and the Prime Minister's and all of the politicians

 

If the people who are more aware and smarter they want to break the rules no matter how long into the lockdown one month or three months or five months, whatever

[Striving for more]

1 hour ago, Moon said:

Idk man, the situation is gonna stay shitty until at least a year from now I'd say...

But no one actually knows, it could be alright by summer, It's good to have hope.

[levani]

@Striving for more Bro losing hope it's a very dangerous thing to lose of course but from the other side I don't even wanna get started

 hope is a very deep topic bro haha

[Consept]

1 hour ago, levani said:

@Consept how sure are they that this new strain really exists though ?

I dont know but they seem to be guided by scientists and experts in the field so im not really in a position to question it with any authority, it more comes down to whether you trust the scientific method or not, you could bypass the politicians and read into why theyve come to their conclusions about this new strain. 

17 minutes ago, levani said:

@Moon i'd say if the people were more obedient and the Prime Minister shows borders two months before the first actual lockdown then we would be a lot more like Taiwan which has seven deaths

 

I still really believe though it's not the Prime Minister's fault I really believe it's the people because there is way more of them and the Prime Minister's and all of the politicians

 

If the people who are more aware and smarter they want to break the rules no matter how long into the lockdown one month or three months or five months, whatever

Theres a whole picture to this, so in general people dont really trust politicians, but i think the last few years with the amount of deception and manipulation that was involved in the brexit campaign, of which Johnson played a big part in, the trust has really been eroded. Trust in government is obviously important at any time but during something like this pandemic its 10x more important because youre asking people to sacrifice their lifestyles for the greater good, in some countries its not a problem but in the UK it is. Further to that countries like America and UK have a kind of 'you cant tell me what to do , im free kind of attitude (not everyone but enough) which is obviously very damaging in this situation, and i think Johnson was in a tough spot whatever he did, he initially went with herd immunity which he was torn apart for and now hes gone with the standard lockdowns and measures but is trying to balance it, and hes getting torn for it. People have to understand that its just gonna be a bit shitty for them for the next few months. It feels like theyre blaming him for the actual pandemic.

Now could he have done things different at the start, like you mentioned? Definitely, he messed up, and theres been a few things that hes messed up on, i dont think hes a particularly good leader, but i will say the UK is probably one of the hardest places to lead along with America 

[Moon]

36 minutes ago, Striving for more said:

But no one actually knows, it could be alright by summer, It's good to have hope.

It will be at least next summer by the time majority of people are vaccinated, and it'll take some time for this artificial herd immunity to kick in. Hopefully the new strain can be dealt with too.

So yeah it could be "alright" by next summer,  but things are still uncertain and it will take some time to progress completely back to pre-covid times even after most people are vaccinated. 

But ofc it would be a blessing for it to be over! But for now, it's best to just to look for the good in the bad situations and practice gratitude in these uncertain times tbh ? 

[Dodo]

Jesus might come back and fix all that stuff with the virus hehe I hope

[levani]

@Consept agreed

[How to be wise]

@levani Lockdowns are just what people need nowadays.
Go home. Meditate. Realise God.

[levani]

@How to be wise hahahahahahahahah

[levani]

@neutralempty good for him/her ahhaha

[PurpleTree]