Observing Thoughts

[Nothing really]

I Just noticed 2 things about thoughts:

1. They are everywhere not just as the voice in the head

2. Thoughts and memory are a single "thing"

If  thoughts and memory are one, and memory requires the past. Then thoughts cannot ever be truth, because the truth is in the present moment like we all are told by every single non-dualist. If thoughts are not truth then they can't exist (in the most real sense of the word) because only truth can exist. But if thoughts don't exist, how are we to "know" about truth? If everything we "know" is knowledge, which is more memory and thought, how can the real I ever know it is enlightened? How can I "know" anything? Is this false world of thought what the Hindus call Maya?

 

Been listening to this video and probably will keep listening for a few hours: 

 

[Prabhaker]

57 minutes ago, Nothing really said:

 Is this false world of thought what the Hindus call Maya?

In Western languages MAYA has been translated very wrongly, and it gives the feeling in Western terms that "illusion" means "unreal." It does not! "Illusion" means the inability to decide whether the thing is real or unreal. This confusion is MAYA.

Why do we call the world illusory? Let me remind you again: by ‘illusory’ we don’t mean unreal, we mean temporarily real, only for the time being real. Why do we call the outer world unreal? Because it brings only misery and it gives you only projections, ambitions, desires; it never allows you to be really happy, authentically happy. It gives you hope but never fulfils it. It leads you on many journeys but the goal never arrives, hence it is called MAYA, illusion. It deceives you, it is a mirage — it APPEARS to be there, but when you reach there you don’t find anything; and by the time you reach there, your desires are being projected further ahead. It is like the horizon: you go towards it, it goes on receding. You never arrive — you cannot arrive, by its very nature it is not possible, it only appears — it is not there.

[kurt]

@Nothing really

There is not much point knowing anything in mythia because it changes and if you chase it you might win, but you lose the equal amount.  This means life in samsara is a "zero-sum game".  You cannot win,  but you are forced to chase the object of your desires and avoid the objects of your fears.  Something compels you, drives you to keep performing actions in samsara for the sake of results.

What is happening with your thoughts is that the causal body (the "unmanifest" from where maya projects its apparent delights) is a conditioned stimulus/response mechanism .  For example, when you drink a beer and enjoy the experience, that experience gets stored in the causal body as an impression, and lies dormant until the next time you have a desire and thought pops into your head to have that beer again you will automatically reach out for the beer, of course the ego residing in the subtle body (your direct internal experience) will lay claim to "wanting" a beer and create this story about you having control over your beer drinking habit. If this habit gets ingrained enough it can turn into an addiction and then when the ego tries to take over it can't, because the tendency is too strong!

This is how thoughts work too.  Thoughts just keep coming from the causal body and are getting presented to you in your experience whether you agree with it or not.

To understand the Truth, you need to get a little bit of remote control over the causal body.  You can do this by sorting out your values, ditching conflicting values that disturb your mind in the subtle body experience.

Eat better foods, consider going to the jym on a regular basis, hang around with more spiritual calm types so that you can just get some control.

This way you can inquire into the thoughts on a moment to moment basis using the netti netti process, I have these thoughts but these thoughts to dont relate to me, "I" am non-dual, actionless, imperceptible, unaffected awareness.

The thoughts wont go away, but eventually you will break the identification that you are the activity of the mind, the causal body, and the physical body.

This way you will be able to discriminate between what is real and what is apparent.  Direct understanding despite the continued appearance of Maya 

[Prabhaker]

1 hour ago, Nothing really said:

if thoughts don't exist, how are we to "know" about truth?

THE EXPERIENCE OF TRUTH is neither a thought nor a feeling. It is a vibrating and a throbbing of all the vital components of your entire being. It is not in you; you are in it. It is your whole being, not just an experience that is happening to you. It is in you yourself, but it is larger than you because the whole of existence is included in it as well.

THERE IS A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE between the experience of truth and an interpretation of truth. When you try to interpret truth you stand outside; when you experience truth you are completely inside it, in total communion with it. This is why it is impossible for those who have had the experience of truth to define it. 

Truth simply exists, and what is just is. Truth cannot be thought about or pondered over but it can be lived. All thought and deliberation are obstacles to being in truth.

[Malelekakis]

On 25/9/2016 at 2:28 PM, Nothing really said:

I Just noticed 2 things about thoughts:

1. They are everywhere not just as the voice in the head

2. Thoughts and memory are a single "thing"

If  thoughts and memory are one, and memory requires the past. Then thoughts cannot ever be truth, because the truth is in the present moment like we all are told by every single non-dualist. If thoughts are not truth then they can't exist (in the most real sense of the word) because only truth can exist. But if thoughts don't exist, how are we to "know" about truth? If everything we "know" is knowledge, which is more memory and thought, how can the real I ever know it is enlightened? How can I "know" anything? Is this false world of thought what the Hindus call Maya?

 

Been listening to this video and probably will keep listening for a few hours: 

 

Τhe funny thing is that you ask so many questions and seek intellectually so many answers which indicates that you are thinking a lot and then you post a video:how to stop thinking .just stop chasing your tail.let thoughts be.if you can experience them then they are true your part is to see them for what they are.try the video of Leo:the illusory nature of thoughts 

[Lala land]

Thank you Nothing Really, this was really helpful for me.