Faith required for experiencing God ?

[Madhur]

If we take an atheist and ask him to do all the required practice to experience god, and say he does all the practice, will he experience the god despite of he not having faith in God ?

[Moksha]

It is not whether he has faith, but what kind of faith he has:

Every creature is born with faith of some kind, either sattfic, rajasic, or tamasic…Our faith conforms to our nature, Arjuna. Human nature is made of faith. A person is what his shraddha is.

The atheist can do all the required practice for a lifetime, but his realization will be limited by the nature of his faith.

The sattvic perform sacrifices with their entire mind fixed on the purpose of the sacrifice. Without thought of reward, they follow the teachings of the scriptures. The rajasic perform sacrifices for the sake of show and the good it will bring them. The tamasic perform sacrifices ignoring both the letter and the spirit.

 

[Forestluv]

Mindset is one component of an integrated whole of experience. 

I f I am training to run a marathon and each day I run 1hr and stretch 30min. it will influence my experience of mind and body - yet how that experience manifests is related to many factors. If I have closed, negative mindset it will be experienced differently than if I have an open, positive mindset.

[Preety_India]

Yes

[Persipnei]

2 hours ago, Madhur said:

If we take an atheist and ask him to do all the required practice to experience god, and say he does all the practice, will he experience the god despite of he not having faith in God ?

If he gets an experience he might ditch his "atheism" faster than he can say "Jesus, Maria, Joseph"...

After quitting the Catholic church in my teenies, I became atheist for life. It turned out it was only until my 40's...

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Madhur said:

will he experience the god despite of he not having faith in God ?

Of course

I was an atheist before I discovered God.

[Nahm]

2 hours ago, Madhur said:

If we take an atheist and ask him to do all the required practice to experience god, and say he does all the practice, will he experience the god despite of he not having faith in God ?

Your question says they did all the required practice to experience God. 

[mandyjw]

What is faith but neither knowing nor not knowing with an element of love. 

[electroBeam]

4 hours ago, Madhur said:

If we take an atheist and ask him to do all the required practice to experience god, and say he does all the practice, will he experience the god despite of he not having faith in God ?

On a practical note. No you dont need faith(although i love mandyjw's perspective on faith). You need honesty, sincerity, open mindedness and being genuine about truth. If you've got these things, and you start to really question atheism, I'm not sure if you'll discover "god" for "god" is just a concept, but you'll feel a sense of deep love, satisfaction and joy from the effort you've put in.

[Hulia]

 I don´t like this word "god" in the lectures of Leo. Because god he speaks about has nothing to do with the commonly understood idea of god. 99% of religious people, I know, misunderstand god so deeply so that, I think, they have even less chance for awakening than the atheists. Even more - I know people who had been more spiritual and pure before they detected the church and the priests and all that manipulative concepts of god.

Again my personal obervation is, that these are mostly people with a weak ego who search rescue in religion. Weak ego is hard to abandon, it resists. 

[Mannyb]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course

I was an atheist before I discovered God.

Weren’t we all? Like actually, deep down. Alone as separate islands of feelings, sensations, and thoughts. Apparently not one with God. ?? 

[Moksha]

25 minutes ago, Mannyb said:

Weren’t we all? Like actually, deep down. Alone as separate islands of feelings, sensations, and thoughts. Apparently not one with God. ?? 

Not all. I knew God as a child, then I grew out of God, then I rediscovered God. The reunion with myself is more than surprising. It is infinitely more beautiful and unconditional than I could have guessed.

[Inliytened1]

9 hours ago, Madhur said:

If we take an atheist and ask him to do all the required practice to experience god, and say he does all the practice, will he experience the god despite of he not having faith in God ?

Yes - i was an atheist.   It might actually be better because an atheist has no preconceived notions or beliefs about God.   Because that is what religion is based on - beliefs. 

Yet at the same time an atheist needs to be open minded and curious while doing the practices.  If they cling to the belief that there is no God they will have the same problem.

An atheist is a form of belief too.   The belief that there is no God.

Truth is Actual.  God is Truth.

[Mannyb]

12 hours ago, Moksha said:

Not all. I knew God as a child, then I grew out of God, then I rediscovered God. The reunion with myself is more than surprising. It is infinitely more beautiful and unconditional than I could have guessed.

That’s how it works for our Self, so actually all of “us”, Self. “We”, I, God plays hide and seek. None can be separate from the experience.?? 

[nistake]

What Is Death? - How Immortality Works

Absolutely fascinating

[Moksha]

4 hours ago, Mannyb said:

That’s how it works for our Self, so actually all of “us”, Self. “We”, I, God plays hide and seek. None can be separate from the experience.?? 

We are here the whole time, we just don't always realize it  ?

 

[Willie]

It depends on how open-minded the atheist is. It doesn’t matter what practices they do or what experiences they have if they consistently reject the concept of God throughout. 

[caspex]

well you dont need faith but let;s say you are a guru, faith (not bling belief) definitely helps a lot into guiding people. Difference between faith and blind belief imo is just that in faith you are radically open minded and believe that ok what the guru told me to do will work out, and are aware that you just believe it. Ofcourse you dont need faith at the end of the day but with faith things can get a lot faster if the teacher or lessons is right.

[Mannyb]

1 hour ago, Moksha said:

We are here the whole time, we just don't always realize it  ?

 

Here and now, eternity and infinity, absolutely ? 

[Madhur]

Okay I got mixed response here.

Let's take a more direct approach here, let's say we ask him to take psychedelics(DMT) and exclude all the bad trips that he could experience.

given that He has no faith in God & he is completely ignorant of the idea of the god, What are the chances that he would still experience the god regardless of his belief ?