Strong determination sitting and impermanence of pain.

[Endangered-EGO]

Hi guys, I just started to try strong determination sitting. It feels like meditation on pain of Body and mind.

It's incredible, the first time I tried it, I was determined not to move, not to swallow and to completely surrender. After 20 minutes the pain became very uncomfortable and the mind started freaking out in waves. But the mind just forgot about it regularly, like after the "oh no I cannot longer do that anymore it's too painful aaaaah", there is just another random thought coming up and the suffering stops for a brief moment.

 

For those who are more advanced than me in that. What things should I look out for, except for the waves of alternatively freaking out and surrendering.

Before meditation I used to intent of curiosity to analyse pain and suffering of the mind/body.

Do you guys have a few tips and alternative methods? I watchen shinzens video on it. I believe this is a hardcore equanimity training.

My goal is an hour, but of course the now-goal is to analyse the pain/discomfort of the mind and body.

 

[Endangered-EGO]

Update (after 38 minutes of SDS), it's not only the mind that freaks out in waves, but also the pain that intensifies and decreases in waves, with or without mind. It's like I'm just waiting for the decrease seconds after the increase, and that gives kind of comfort, because eventually there is no way out of pain. What I found fascinating is at one point, when the mind was quiet and I was in the waves of increase and decrease pain, i just kind of fell into a state of detached "void" during a few seconds. I wondered where the pain and discomfort went, and then I was back into the waves of pain and mind-freakout.
Nothing too incredible, but does this state of surrender have a name?

[saif2]

you can zoom in with your attention on the most  painful spot and simultaneously zoom out your attention to your entire body, it is not pleasant but it wil help with equanimity and it will create a nice flow and even you might enjoy the pain if it is not too intense,  shinzen young talked about it in one of his videos!

Be loving and compasionate to yourself

 

 

 

 

Edited December 17, 2020 by saif2

[Endangered-EGO]

@saif2 Yes I got it from shinzen young. I tried to the zooming out, the the pain just seems to stay on the Body part where I observe it. It doesn't increase in other parts of the body, or at least I am not aware of it.

Yes, I believe this is the biggest equanimity training there is. Feels like forcing god's grace haha

[Forestluv]

I would also be mindful that when pushed far, pain can have consequences. During SDS-like sessions of yin yoga, I’ve gone so deep into pain that it was no longer pain. It was energy I could transform in many ways. This was great in one context because it revealed a new area of awareness, yet this came at the cost of another area of awareness. I lost track of pain meaning and time. I went waaay too deep into stretches for way too long and ended up injuring myself. I realized I could tare ligaments and herniate vertebrae discs without even knowing it, because the intense pain was being transformed into a warm chocolately syrup of swirling energy. 

[Endangered-EGO]

21 hours ago, Forestluv said:

I would also be mindful that when pushed far, pain can have consequences. During SDS-like sessions of yin yoga, I’ve gone so deep into pain that it was no longer pain. It was energy I could transform in many ways. This was great in one context because it revealed a new area of awareness, yet this came at the cost of another area of awareness. I lost track of pain meaning and time. I went waaay too deep into stretches for way too long and ended up injuring myself. I realized I could tare ligaments and herniate vertebrae discs without even knowing it, because the intense pain was being transformed into a warm chocolately syrup of swirling energy. 

Holy shit, transforming pain. Perceiving pain as energy sounds like something the Tibetan self immolation monks were able to do.

 

I will remember what you told me, because I have a strong intention not to harm me physically with spirituality. How long were you sitting?

2 questions out of curiosity:

1. How do you transform the bad pain into warm choclate energy?

2. Would you say that you could, or know anyone who could, be tortured for an undetermined period of time and not suffer physically? Not talking about psychological suffering of having to live life with a limb cut off or being blinded.


And KNOWING you can put yourself in a state where pain isn't anything you should be bothered by, doesn't that give you a feeling of power and being indestructible?