Every Thing Is The Same Thing, Every Experience Is The Same Experience

[Kevin Dunlop]

Every thing is the same thing, every experience is the same experience

[Neo]

You've seen it. I understand it intellectually. I've only seen a foot print and a whisker.

[mikeyy]

Nicee thats a good insight probs makes life alot easier now huh ahahah

[Ozzy]

Any other 'deep' insights sensei?

[Ayla]

can you find multiple experiences? Or things?

[Kevin Dunlop]

On 24/9/2016 at 2:58 PM, Kevin Dunlop said:

Every thing is the same thing, every experience is the same experience

It is of paramount importance first to transmute the sixth and seventh consciousness, for they play the leading role and because of their power in discriminating and discerning.

While you were seeing the voidness and the brightness and composing poems and gathas, these two consciousnesses performed their evil functions. Today, we should use this hua-tou to transmute the discriminating consciousness into the Profound Observing Wisdom and the mind which differentiates between ego and personality into the Wisdom of Equality.
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[Kevin Dunlop]

22 hours ago, Ayla said:

can you find multiple experiences? Or things?

In this state ...Mind and Buddha are not a duality and both are in the state of suchness which is absolute and free from all contraries and relativities. Empty Cloud

‘Though there are many expedients for the purpose
They are identical when returned to the source.’163

162 Hua-tou is the mind before it is stirred by a thought. The technique was devised by enlightened Masters who taught their disciples to concentrate their attention on the mind for the purpose of stopping all thought to realize singleness of mind for the perception of their self-nature.
163 Quoted from Manjusri’s Long Gatha in the Surangama Sutra. (See The Secrets of Chinese Meditation, page 34, and the Surangama Sutra, pages 143-9).

[Kevin Dunlop]

On 24/9/2016 at 6:14 PM, Neo said:

You've seen it. I understand it intellectually. I've only seen a foot print and a whisker.

Here is how it works. I dont ask you to believe it, because the conditioned mind has been taught to discern for many years. I only invite you to condition these accepted perspectives into your mind as a way to experience them. Its like convincing yourself of something you cant believe because you want to experience it, of course you can always go back. So here is a list of examples to guide the experience of nondiscernment

All people are equal. Most people can respect this. We have equal rights and so on. No one should be seen as more important than any other. To add to that I use the thought we all have equal potential. Today he might be a disaster but this doesnt mean he could not be amazing later. Always have the highest hopes for people this helps them and you to improve. How can one infinite source of potential be better than any other?

All places are the same. It doesnt matter where you are. One place is not better than any other. If we get caught up in trying to figure out what place we should go to, with the badly conditioned mind, we will miss the intuition, let its authentic wisdom decide. You are no better off here of there in the external world what happens inside is of value. Hard to believe or express but part of the deal. Often these enlightened people live in a forest for many years not wondering if it would be better to live in Tokio etc.

All experiences are the same. When you reach the state of pure awareness there is no way to judge with mental concepts, that all falls away and reality is percieved differently, as a single undescribable experience.

[Kevin Dunlop]

On 24/9/2016 at 6:14 PM, Neo said:

You've seen it. I understand it intellectually. I've only seen a foot print and a whisker.

The only difference between seeing it intellectually and experiencing it is conditioning it, with repetition, into the mind with as much intensity as your current beliefs. This takes time just as your current beliefs took time to incorporate . We think this is hard to do because we dont believe literally that nondiscerning ideas are true because they seem illogical. Belief and logic are the barriers our mind uses to keep us on track in the conditioned world that we have come to know as the only reality. But these barriers of the ego are not as hard to overcome as they make us thing they are. It is simple accepting the new thought as real ( not logically true ) and remembering to install it into the thought process enough times that it becomes the new perspective. With this reconditioning process you will be able to feel what it feels like to believe new illogical concepts. This breaks down the static state of the conditioned mind and opens you up to experiencing new states. 

[Kevin Dunlop]

On 26/9/2016 at 5:41 PM, Ozzy said:

Any other 'deep' insights sensei?

Ya, but youll just have to wait until I get round to posting them. 

[Kevin Dunlop]

On 26/9/2016 at 2:09 PM, mikeyy said:

Nicee thats a good insight probs makes life alot easier now huh ahahah

Nondiscernment in not logical but neither is the intuition, that doesn´t make them wrong. Nondiscernment is a possible accepted perspective like the ego conditioned state. This perspective cuts out all of the mental battles we face about trying to find the best. If all is equal we dont need the mind to figure it all out. Joy is the state that follows, freedom. Its like creating an internal chemistry for joy, instead of looking for it from external sources. Stopping wrong thought allows us to experience reality in its profoundness and beauty, this is the source of joy.

[mikeyy]

Awesome buddy ima work on that @Kevin Dunlop

[Kevin Dunlop]

23 hours ago, Ayla said:

can you find multiple experiences? Or things?

Only if I use my conditioned identity to look for them. It can create all kinds of illusions

[Neo]

7 hours ago, Kevin Dunlop said:

The only difference between seeing it intellectually and experiencing it is conditioning it, with repetition, into the mind with as much intensity as your current beliefs. This takes time just as your current beliefs took time to incorporate . We think this is hard to do because we dont believe literally that nondiscerning ideas are true because they seem illogical. Belief and logic are the barriers our mind uses to keep us on track in the conditioned world that we have come to know as the only reality. But these barriers of the ego are not as hard to overcome as they make us thing they are. It is simple accepting the new thought as real ( not logically true ) and remembering to install it into the thought process enough times that it becomes the new perspective. With this reconditioning process you will be able to feel what it feels like to believe new illogical concepts. This breaks down the static state of the conditioned mind and opens you up to experiencing new states. 

OK I see what you are saying however, if I were to absorb this into my current world view, this is surely just another part of an egoic mindset, albeit a very open minded and radical view, but nonetheless still part of the ego which is like a web of ideas, this ego some are trying to shake off or at least expose for asll it's inadequacies?

[Kevin Dunlop]

When the ego can be installed with a completely different perspective that feels better than what it has constructed, after years of conditioning, it begins to prove to itself that it does not understand true reality. The more you can get the ego to give up on imposing itself as the one authority on perception the closer you are to unfiltered pure awareness. 

[Kevin Dunlop]

On 27/9/2016 at 9:20 PM, Ayla said:

can you find multiple experiences? Or things?

Thanks for your post. If you are interested could you give us an opinion on Rupert Spira´s video, it inpart inspired this post. Iam not sure if you would agree with him.

[Ayla]

@Kevin Dunlop ,

I don't know what he is saying. But I do know that you can look for yourself and find out without a doubt that without the thought content, you are only what you know. experience. 

If you try to find any kind of division, only thought will say so. Now can a thought think? Is a thought aware? Is Kevin anything other than a thought? Is Ayla? 

I'm sorry, but I can't deal with any type of theory anymore... no person is aware of anything. because a person is only a thought. so why listen to me or rupert? What is your actual experience of Ayla? Some seeming black marks on a seeming screen? 

Only use senses. And LOOK. 

What you will discover is that you are beautifully utterly experience alone. 

[Kevin Dunlop]

When Iam truely experienceing, words are not being used to describe anything to myself. This allows for the beautiful experience of seeing reality without the limiting filter created by words. 

When I try to use words to describe my actual experiences, I am trying to explain experiences that are beyond explanation using a limited resource. Here on line we only have words to communicate, though there is a massive limitation here I still appreciate what I learn from reading what people write. So thanks again

[cetus]

Could physics have it right that all physical reality is one connected field of tiny curled up dimensions called Calabi-Yau spaces? And that field has a wave movement to it. It carries time and gravity also through that wave motion. A wave becomes a particle when it is observed (awareness). particles=galaxy=planet=soil=water=tree=apple, but all one unified field.  Calabi-Yau spaces are said to have a unified intelligence and a sharing network. Any effect on one part of this field (existence) is known throughout the entire field.

On ‎9‎/‎24‎/‎2016 at 1:58 PM, Kevin Dunlop said:

Every thing is the same thing, every experience is the same experience

 

[Kevin Dunlop]

I like it, very tripadellic, I could look at it all day. I think you guessed the answer to my riddle, and for this I award you the Gold Star magic thumbs up!